Manly's big call on World Club Challenge PDF Print E-mail
Written by Dean Ritchie The Daily Telegraph   
Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:38

MANLY management and the club's coaching staff are having to decide whether to put financial reward ahead of player welfare. Dean Ritchie fires up with another negative Manly story.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal chief operating officer David Perry is negotiating a warm-up game against Super League giants St Helens before February's World Club Challenge against Leeds.

Players, though, fear a second game in heavy English conditions so close to the NRL season could hurt their early-season aspirations.

Former Manly Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler was vehement in telling Perry he did not want a preliminary game in England.

Manly played two games in 2009 - against London and then Leeds in the WCC - but returned home lethargic and struggled throughout the entire 2009 season.

It is unknown whether new coach Geoff Toovey wants a lead-up game in England, although some players are against it.

It will be interesting to see whether Perry puts his players first - or the cash that a game against St Helens would generate. Perry is desperately trying to generate as much revenue as possible before the board rubber-stamps his new three-year deal next week.

The WCC Challenge is set down for February 17. A lead-up game would ensure the trip spans about 2 1/2 weeks - a lengthy pre-season adventure.

That would only leave 11 days before the season opener against New Zealand in Auckland - not forgetting Manly have their first five games away from Brookvale Oval next season.

The Sea Eagles already have four players in England for the Four Nations - Daly Cherry-Evans, Tony Williams, Anthony Watmough and Kiwi halfback Kieran Foran.

Meanwhile, NSW State of Origin assistant coach Matt Parish is hoping to become Toovey's assistant coach after Kelly Egan decided to join Hasler at Canterbury for next season. Egan was due to arrive at Belmore for 2013.

Parish worked alongside Ricky Stuart in this year's Origin campaign.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/manly-sea-eagles-big-call-on-world-club-challenge/story-e6frexnr-1226197195647


Matabele said the following on Wed Nov 16 23:43 2011
I'd say the form of 2009 had more to do with the season launch than the WCC.
Canteen Worker said the following on Wed Nov 16 23:50 2011
Interesting debate. In 2009 we were run down a lot of times by opposition teams, having started well in many games. It was put down to innovative fitness training (abandoned the next year) though the WCC could have been an issue, along with the 2009 brouhaha.

In the WCC we took a lot of young players over and played a B team in the first game, so it is hard to quantify the assertions.
dowdz said the following on Thu Nov 17 0:08 2011
Is the travelling the big issue for the players or is it the conditions itself?Maybe 2 hard games before season launch is to much? It would bring in some much needed funds for the club, but player injury must also be a concern. I would like to see it happen. Maybe rest some of the bigger names against St.Helens especially the boys on the kangaroo tour.
The Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 0:49 2011
2009 was a bad refs call and a stillbirth (rip) away from a premiership, what a load of [%*@#] not playing st helens is

J.Lyon would put bums on seats there
Jono said the following on Thu Nov 17 1:07 2011
Quote From: 'Canteen Worker'

Interesting debate. In 2009 we were run down a lot of times by opposition teams, having started well in many games. It was put down to innovative fitness training (abandoned the next year) though the WCC could have been an issue, along with the 2009 brouhaha.

In the WCC we took a lot of young players over and played a B team in the first game, so it is hard to quantify the assertions.


Incorrect, that was 2010. 2009 was when we lost the first 4 games in a row after losing Brett to a suspension. By Round 6 he had injured his knee. He was back by year end for us to lose to Melbourne in Melbourne in the first week of the finals.

2010 we started off playing Tigers and Parramatta, got to good leads, then lost them. Parra was the infamous Gridiron pass that "wasn't forward" and the Tigers game was when Brett injured himself again.

We only brought Donny Singe back this year. We did the Scientific stuff for 2009 and 2010.

2009, and my reasons for the losses, were the Season Launch when we lost Brett for 4 weeks, and the fact that they welcomed in the 2 ref system in the off season. We didn't get used to that system for a while because we didn't have the trials to get used to it.

Whether we play our trial(s) in the UK or in Australia shouldn't/won't matter. As long as they are trained up into it, and well rested the week after before going back to training after a week at home to rest, they should be fine.
castle eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 5:13 2011
playing a game against st.helens would be a great extra for all you lucky bastards(yeah i'm jealous) who are going over for the w.c.c.
Berkeley_Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 5:19 2011
It really does not say how much of a financial gain it is, how about giving the players the extra $ not sure how that can get around the cap
castle eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 5:26 2011
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Meanwhile, NSW State of Origin assistant coach Matt Parish is hoping to become Toovey's assistant coach after Kelly Egan decided to join Hasler at Canterbury for next season. Egan was due to arrive at Belmore for 2013.

Parish worked alongside Ricky Stuart in this year's Origin campaign.

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anyone know much about this guy?
Berkeley_Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 5:33 2011
Quote From: 'castle eagle'

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Meanwhile, NSW State of Origin assistant coach Matt Parish is hoping to become Toovey's assistant coach after Kelly Egan decided to join Hasler at Canterbury for next season. Egan was due to arrive at Belmore for 2013.

Parish worked alongside Ricky Stuart in this year's Origin campaign.



anyone know much about this guy?
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was a thread here > http://forums.silvertails.net/Thread-Matt-Parish
eagles2win said the following on Thu Nov 17 5:45 2011
If the club could record this trial it would be awesome!
Definitely would buy it.

Might mean we would possibly be the first team to play at St Helens new ground!
globaleagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 6:05 2011
I read the article and thought 'why would coward loser ritchie actually write ritchie does another negative story on manly?' - I actually went online to the dt before I went "d'oh". Ahh brain farts, where would we be without them?

Step 1: See what manly is about to do.
Step 2: Make up a neg story about it.
Step 3: Submit story, eat 5 hamburgers and marvel at how well my career and life is.
Step 4: Go to lunch.
Step 5: Repeat until fired.

Insert step 1A: If Manly isn't doing anything, eat 3 hamburgers to cure sadness, troll silvertails.net, find a story to steal, eat 4 'I'm happy again" celebratory hamburgers and continue to step 2.

Shoe1 said the following on Thu Nov 17 6:19 2011
Did the Parrish rumor come from this site lol.
voicefromthehill said the following on Thu Nov 17 6:36 2011
I think Ritchie tweeted it the other day which prompted the thread about Parish joining.
Shoe1 said the following on Thu Nov 17 6:38 2011
Cheers
ManlyBacker said the following on Thu Nov 17 6:47 2011
Quote From: 'globaleagle'

I read the article and thought 'why would coward loser ritchie actually write ritchie does another negative story on manly?' - I actually went online to the dt before I went "d'oh". Ahh brain farts, where would we be without them?

Step 1: See what manly is about to do.
Step 2: Make up a neg story about it.


Sorry ge, that was my bad for putting it in the news item. I almost never do that but saw the story and thought exactly like your step 1,2. They missed doing one yesterday so maybe they had an extra long lunch on Tuesday.
Daddycool said the following on Thu Nov 17 7:17 2011
Typical Ritchie rubbish, of course they should have a warm up game. The WCC game is unique and for the players a big deal. They should give themselves the best preparation possible and a warm up game is an important part of that.

You have to feel sorry for Ritchie, the guy is a complete zero.
swoop said the following on Thu Nov 17 8:22 2011
I thought Matt Parish just signed on as coach of Salford in july 2011 for 3 years.
Berkeley_Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 8:24 2011
Quote From: 'swoop'

I thought Matt Parish just signed on as coach of Salford in july 2011 for 3 years.


He did, guessing he will look for a release
Stevo said the following on Thu Nov 17 8:59 2011
Salford would be livid i would imagine. They're comp starts earlier then ours doesn't it?
Ron E. Gibbs said the following on Thu Nov 17 9:02 2011
Slightly off topic, but it's going to be mighty hard for the guys who've been on the Four Nations tour to be fresh and ready to go next year. They played and trained all through the finals, played a test in Newcastle, then got on a plane for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of footy, especially when other guys have already had their holiday and gone back to training.
vidmar said the following on Thu Nov 17 9:20 2011
"Heavy English conditions" LOL - I didn't see him at the Sharks trial game at Shark park or the trial at Redfern Oval against the Bunnies over the last few seasons!

The UK would have been pretty hard pressed to meet those conditions!

Seriously though, we generally play 2 trial games pre-season, we went to NZ last season from memory (or was it the year before?) and a "warm up" before the WCC game itself would perhaps be beneficial?

(Plus would also be a good warm up for the MWTS before the trip down the East Lancs to Leeds?)
Mals said the following on Thu Nov 17 9:21 2011
I would like to see Manly play 2 games in England. Hopefully they can take a big squad over & give all the players some game time. The talk of heavy English fields in this day & age is a bit over hyped. It is more the travel factor that will drain them when they arrive back in Sydney.
BOZO said the following on Thu Nov 17 9:40 2011
Quote From: 'Daddycool'

Typical Ritchie rubbish, of course they should have a warm up game. The WCC game is unique and for the players a big deal. They should give themselves the best preparation possible and a warm up game is an important part of that.

You have to feel sorry for Ritchie, the guy is a complete zero.
And when we get back we will be the fittest and best prepared team in the NRL . Ritchie is a rogue . :@

Earnie the Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 13:18 2011
Why is the game played in the UK each year and alternate between Aust and the UK?
Central Coast Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 13:20 2011
Because they pay for it.
Earnie the Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 13:23 2011
Quote From: 'Central Coast Eagle'

Because they pay for it.


Thanks a lot.
eagles2win said the following on Thu Nov 17 13:25 2011
Quote From: 'Ron E. Gibbs'

Slightly off topic, but it's going to be mighty hard for the guys who've been on the Four Nations tour to be fresh and ready to go next year. They played and trained all through the finals, played a test in Newcastle, then got on a plane for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of footy, especially when other guys have already had their holiday and gone back to training.


Kevin Sinfield will play his 43rd game of the season this weekend so not really an excuse
The Eagle said the following on Thu Nov 17 13:34 2011
Quote From: 'eagles2win'

Quote From: 'Ron E. Gibbs'

Slightly off topic, but it's going to be mighty hard for the guys who've been on the Four Nations tour to be fresh and ready to go next year. They played and trained all through the finals, played a test in Newcastle, then got on a plane for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of footy, especially when other guys have already had their holiday and gone back to training.


Kevin Sinfield will play his 43rd game of the season this weekend so not really an excuse


Most super league teams would be flat out beating the 2011 titans on the other hand
mozgrame said the following on Thu Nov 17 13:45 2011
Someone told me there are many ESL players that have cracked 300 games and are still signing contracts. Maybe it's the constant roar of the soccer like crowds echoing and bouncing all round the stadiums. Somehow the noise vibration travels through the air, and the players on the field are constantly in a state of "vibration therapy". It's very good for the muscles and some wingers leave the field after 80 mins feeling the best they have all week. That's why Scotty Donald loved England, and the touchies always appear stoned.
eagles2win said the following on Thu Nov 17 14:06 2011
Quote From: 'The Eagle'

Quote From: 'eagles2win'

[quote='Ron E. Gibbs' pid='364020' dateline='1321480958']
Slightly off topic, but it's going to be mighty hard for the guys who've been on the Four Nations tour to be fresh and ready to go next year. They played and trained all through the finals, played a test in Newcastle, then got on a plane for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of footy, especially when other guys have already had their holiday and gone back to training.


Kevin Sinfield will play his 43rd game of the season this weekend so not really an excuse


Most super league teams would be flat out beating the 2011 titans on the other hand
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Like the likes of Wigan, Leeds, St Helens, Warrington.....
eagles2win said the following on Sat Nov 19 22:48 2011
Know that the bunnies are playing Warrington next year.
Any chance the club might do this yearly to gain a world wide following like Manu and Celtic do in soccer
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