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Barrett / Toovey / Current NRL's Coaching records

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Ryan, Aug 21, 2016.

  1. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Thought I'd throw Tooves in there for good measure as well.

    Here is the current NRL team coaching records (win %) as taken from http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/competitions/nrl/coaches.html

    01. Bellamy - Storm - 67%
    02. Green - Cowboys - 63.5%
    03. Bennett - Broncos - 61.9%
    04. Robinson - Roosters - 60.4%
    05. Hasler - Bulldogs - 59.9%
    06. Toovey - Sea Eagles - 58.1%
    07. Macguire - Rabbits - 57.6%
    08. Griffin - Panthers - 52.9%
    09. Flanagan - Sharks - 52.4%
    10. Stuart - Raiders - 48.6%
    11. Brown - Knights - 47.4%
    12. Mcfaddan - Warriors - 46.0%
    13. Arthur - Eels - 45.9%
    14. Mcgregor - Dragons - 45.8%
    15. Henry - Titans - 44.8%
    16. Taylor - Tigers - 44.4%
    17. Barrett - Sea Eagles 40% (now 38%)

    I understand there are excuses and reasons, but this is not a good look. Not at all. I can't believe Zorba's commentary about how great things are now looking ?

    The scary thing is, is it realistic, that we'll beat either Raiders / Panthers? That will reduce Barrett's record to 33%.

    There have been 286 NRL coaches in the game throughout history. We lose these next two games, Barrett will sit 211 / 286, or bottom 26 percentile in the history of the game.
     
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    • TokyoEagle

      TokyoEagle Well-Known Member

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      It's the kids first season, give him a break.
       
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      • Ryan

        Ryan Well-Known Member

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        Ok, let's be fair then.

        There are 88 NRL coaches who have coached 22 games or less throughout history (Barrett one of those). These coaches were either sacked, quit or passed away.

        + 51 of those coaches had worse results than Barrett.
        + 36 of those had better results.

        Therefore 40% of the coaches who achieved better results than Barrett after playing the same (or less games) could not find another coaching role.

        I'm not making these numbers up, nor are they opinions mate. If a player runs 187 metres, and someone came on and suggested that player ran 187 metres, it is, what it is.

        Barrett will be back, but boy, history shows (statistically) if he doesn't get numbers really, really quickly, he'll be gone very early on.
         
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        • Brocky

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          Give him a break are you kidding, the DEFENSE tonight was a JOKE, missed tackles not catching the ball it looked like they were never coached before. Maybe we will give him a LONG BREAK SACK HIM
           
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          • TokyoEagle

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            Who were the guys making mistakes tonight? To me it looked like Tom was a big factor in a couple of Melbourne tries. Jake also needs to put his hand up for a couple. Are we going to blame that on Barrett too?
            We praise these guys and talk them up when they do the right thing. We also need to be honest and respect that people make mistakes sometimes.
             
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            • TokyoEagle

              TokyoEagle Well-Known Member

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              IMO, if the team didn't believe in Barrett, they wouldn't have come out to play in the second half. That was not evident to me.
               
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              • globaleagle

                globaleagle Le ver vert va vers le verre vert! Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                We will never know but sometimes I wonder how tooves would have gone this year with all the new combinations and injuries we've had. Better than barrett? Worse?

                It'd be interesting to see what other coaches would have done as well.

                I remember the calls on here about 2v last year how he wouldn't use the whole bench and kept picking the same ol dud - and maybe it was time to go.

                To each their own (and it's interesting to read Ryan's stats for sure) and I'll continue to wait until we've been able to put an uninjured team on the paddock for a couple of months. I reckon it's hard enough playing with new team mates....even harder if those new team mates keep getting injured so the run out side changes every week.

                Not saying what we have is the right answer.....just that I'm prepared to wait which I think that:
                1) Is the right way to go about it and,
                2)I don't think Barrett is going anywhere soon so as @lsz would say, accept the coaching position for now and be stress free.


                Or ...maintain the rage! Your choice, go for it. :)
                 
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                • HappilyManly

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                  1st Year NRL Coaches Stats @ Round 22 2016

                  Here is the current NRL team coaching records (win %) as taken from http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/competitions/nrl/coaches.html

                  01. Bellamy - Storm - 62.5% - 2003 - 33 Players used
                  02. Green - Cowboys - 58.3% - 2014 - 29
                  03. Bennett - Raiders - 62.5% - 1987 - 31
                  04. Robinson - Roosters - 75.0% - 2013 - 25* no data on ESL
                  05. Hasler - Sea Eagles - 37.5% - 2004 - 30* quality of 1st graders lower than 2016 Manly Team
                  06. Toovey - Sea Eagles - 66.7% - 2012 - 24
                  07. Macguire - Rabbits - 66.7% - 2012 - 26* no data on ESL
                  08. Griffin - Broncos - 75.0% - 2011 - 28
                  09. Flanagan - Sharks - 29.2% - 2010 - 28
                  10. Stuart - Roosters - 62.5% - 2002 - 34
                  11. Brown - Saints - 45.8% - 2003 - 36
                  12. Mcfaddan - Warriors - 50.0% - 2014 - 31
                  13. Arthur - Eels - 25.0% - 2012 - 27
                  14. Mcgregor - Dragons - 45.8% - 2014 - 28
                  15. Henry - Raiders - 37.5% - 2007 - 31
                  16. Taylor - Eels - 50.0% - 2006 - 33
                  17. Barrett - Sea Eagles 40.0% - 2016 - 29
                  same as Dez by Rd26, but with a better roster

                  18. Bob Fulton - Easts - 40.9% - 1979 - 36

                  @Ryan
                  The only fair comparison is stats for all first year as Head Coaches. :nod:
                   
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                  • Brocky

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                    What about George tufa, having the opposite winger put four on u. Enough said, badly coached and some of the tries where an embarrassment, Cameron smith ran right thru the middle of them, even he was shocked.
                     
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                    Craig Bellamy win % coaching against the big 3 ............................22% Mal Meninga win % coaching with the big 3 ................................ 66%
                    Punters like me % who are expert coaching analysts ..................... ?
                     
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                    • HoldenV8

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                      Here is something to think about.....

                      For argument sake, if Manly happen to lose to both Canberra and Penrith in the next 2 weeks and then we go and have a good season next year and we finish the minor round with say, 20 wins.....Barrett's winning percentage would actually be higher than Tooves' (58.3%).

                      Ok, that's probably a long shot (though hopefully it actually happens because it means we're winning again) but it shows that all it takes is a good season or two and suddenly the figures look a whole lot better.
                       
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                      • Hgbcds

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                        No **** sherlock
                         
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                        • Loobs

                          Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

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                          Here is some flawless analysis of coaching I've just put together.

                          NRL First Year Coaching Records:

                          7. Chinese buyers of the leagues club. Record - 100% (Penn gave them one win as a good will contractual bonus in the leagues the club sale.)

                          78. Homeless guy living in Brookie Oval stands: 50% (record is 1-1 as he was credited with an early season win by the sack Barrett crew but also had one taken away for bathing in the catering kitchen)

                          109. Des Hasler's bouffant. Record 5-9. Well known fact that Des would have had a much better first year coaching record if he'd gone for a more militaristic flat top style.

                          6,085,224: Trent "**** head" Barrett. Record - sucks. He is bad and the focal point of my rage. *thinks about this for a second and begins vomitting uncontrollably before violently sobbing* I mean, he never even played for Manly!?! Seriously! The ****??!??!
                           
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                          • SeaEagleRock8

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                          • Ryan

                            Ryan Well-Known Member

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                            Ok, so assume we'll lose the remaining two games, Barrett will end up on 33.3% or 3rd worst in the NRL. Whilst not dead last it's close. I hope we land some quality talent, because if Wright, Wiliame, Myles and Brown for example run around again next season....well...

                            As Penn claimed, it's a results driven business. Toovey wasn't allowed one season of missing the finals.

                            I'm actually a Barrett fan btw. His stats though paint an ordinary picture.
                             
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                            • Harvies elbow

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                              Anyone got Cartwright's overall figures? I think someone pulled it up once before at about 45%. But his1st year with the gold coke and a cap assisted roster would have probably been OK.
                              But once the honeymoon was over reality set in and this much rated future origin coach, ( fool Gould quote ); slid down the totem pole.
                              What's done is done with Tooves but let's remember the slash and burn approach dessie took in relation to staff and resources when he left.
                              Tooves started with nothing but the loyal Donny singe.
                              So back to the Easter Island statue, my point is, why is Cartwright here and what does he bring to the table?
                              Sweet FA by the looks.
                               
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                              • TerryRandall

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                                If you're a Barrett fan, why don't you give him the benefit of time before death riding him? We all know he is a rookie coach. Rookie coaches usually have poor win/loss records early in their careers, particularly when they are in charge of a team that is transitioning from a decade long period of dominance, with ageing stars and a crippling injury toll. If you are such a Barrett fan, why the post? How did you go as a rookie in the first year of your career? Or were you always a superstar?
                                 
                              • The Who

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                                While you are at it, can you please give me the coaching records of:
                                Luke Williamson, Chad Randall and David Heath?
                                Thanks.
                                 
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                                • Brocky

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                                  Is that your analogy how did you go in your first year, you forgot one thing in my do first year I was not making 250k or north.
                                   
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                                  • Mark from Brisbane

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                                    100% HM, an absolutely much fairer comparison.
                                     

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