[Resurrected] Captain's challenge 'loophole' to be reviewed.

[globaleagle]

After gutho did another dodgy captian's challenge when playing for Parra "at 20 mins a forward always needs a HIA" matta..

The nrl are looking to 'review things'.

Gutherson's captain's challenge loophole to be reviewed: Annesley

NRL head of football Graham Annesley says there will be an end-of-season review into the intricacies of the captain's challenge rule.

www.nrl.com

Graham Annesley says the NRL could refine the circumstances under which a captain's challenge can be mounted to prevent the rule being "too loose".

The NRL's head of football flagged an end-of-season review into the intricacies of the rule - for instance, the time limit for challenges to be lodged and the scenarios where they are applicable.

It comes after Eels captain Clint Gutherson appeared to deliberately break down play in the first half of Saturday's win over the Cowboys in order to give away a penalty so he could submit a challenge.

 

[cc eagle]

Good idea, you could see the smart ar_e smirk on Gutho's dial when he won the challenge

 

[Highflier]

they should also look at the number of crushers and head highs that the Eels players apparently suffer which would seem statistically impossible when compared to the other teams

 

[The Wheel]

Easiest way to fix the issue is to suspend the Queen for an indefinite period for bringing the game into disrepute

 

[StuBoot]

At least they are looking at tightening it up.
Unfortunately the Bunker likes to get involved at every opportunity and it's not like they want to turn a blind eye to anything.

I think the only way to tighten up the rules is that the challenge has to be pretty specific so that the Bunker can only adjudicate on that point ( unless of course there is serious foul play that was missed).

So the other night Gutho challenged the Cowboys knock on when there wasn't one but "won" the challenge due to the Cowboys player pushing the Parra player prior to that.
If he didn't rip the ball out and concede the penalty then the push in the back goes unchecked, something that happens so many time sin a game.

He instigated the break down in play just so he could challenge something else,

The Bunker should be able to come back and say, "no knock on, challenge unsuccessful", anything before or after that is irrelevant apart from serious foul play obviously.

It's like the fielding team in cricket challenging a catch and the batsman being given out LBW, it can't happen.

 

[The Who]

Really, has the Captain's Challenge been a success? I think not.
It was introduced to stop a "howler", such as committed last year in our first clash with Doesn'tmatta which cost us the match, but you can't challenge a forward pass so that incorrect decision would have still stood.
I wasn't aware you could challenge a high shot but Teddy did and won a penalty for Easts.... Because there are limited things you can challenge it is yet another "innovation" that resembles being a little bit pregnant.
Either you should be able to challenge everything or get rid of it. It is just another intrusion in the sport that usurps the authority of the on-field referee and allows the bloody Bunker to play heads-or-tails with decisions.

 

[StuBoot]

Really, has the Captain's Challenge been a success? I think not.
It was introduced to stop a "howler", such as committed last year in our first clash with Doesn'tmatta which cost us the match, but you can't challenge a forward pass so that incorrect decision would have still stood.
I wasn't aware you could challenge a high shot but Teddy did and won a penalty for Easts.... Because there are limited things you can challenge it is yet another "innovation" that resembles being a little bit pregnant.
Either you should be able to challenge everything or get rid of it. It is just another intrusion in the sport that usurps the authority of the on-field referee and allows the bloody Bunker to play heads-or-tails with decisions.

Like pretty much all the video review systems in professional sport it started off with good intentions but has become a case of more, more, more.

As you say its introduction was to "get more decisions right....eliminate the howler" etc but now it's used people ask why not use it more? The beast has been released and can't be put back. Cricket, NRL, soccer are all at the whim of a review.

I don't think Teddy challenged the high tackle but he rolled the dice as he had a challenge left and knew the review process would look at everything, he got lucky that the slight head shot is deemed a penalty in most instances. Funny thing is if he didn't have a challenge left then nothing gets said .


I don't know if you watch soccer but their VAR drives me nuts when it comes to being onside or offside by the length of a toe, if it's that tight play on.

 

[Will on the hill]

Like pretty much all the video review systems in professional sport it started off with good intentions but has become a case of more, more, more.

As you say its introduction was to "get more decisions right....eliminate the howler" etc but now it's used people ask why not use it more? The beast has been released and can't be put back. Cricket, NRL, soccer are all at the whim of a review.

I don't think Teddy challenged the high tackle but he rolled the dice as he had a challenge left and knew the review process would look at everything, he got lucky that the slight head shot is deemed a penalty in most instances. Funny thing is if he didn't have a challenge left then nothing gets said .


I don't know if you watch soccer but their VAR drives me nuts when it comes to being onside or offside by the length of a toe, if it's that tight play on.

Teddy specifically mentioned the high contact to the Ref, he knew exactly what he was doing. Probably doesn't risk it in any other situation but given the game was about to be over he had nothing to lose.

 

[47MVEagle]

If a challenge is issued for a particular event, the bunker should only be looking at that particular event & nothing else.

If contact with the head is not what has been challenged, but is detected during review of the passage of play, the offending player should be placed on report (like they currently do with high shots picked up late by the bunker) & play should resume as per the result of the original challenge.

 

[wombatgc]

The first action of the end-of-season review should be the sacking of Peranara.

 

[The Who]

If a captain can't challenge a forward pass then the system is irrelevant.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Typical Queen Gutho though !!

**** me that Turkey has stooped to **** acts since he’s joined the slime !!

 

[Brissie Kid]

Let's not forget that the captains challenge in 2021 will not stop what the Dogs and Josh Reynolds did to Manly to stop us winning the 2014 semi-final. Can't challenge a referee allowing an offside player to interfere with a field goal attempt. This should have also been a penalty for diving into the kicker's legs anyway.

 

[Brissie Kid]

If a captain can't challenge a forward pass then the system is irrelevant.

The bunker is quite happy to look at Manly player batting a ball backwards and ruling it went forward. See the Mudgee game. If you can see on video a ball is batted forwards, means you can just as easily see a ball passed forward.

 

[Will on the hill]

The bunker is quite happy to look at Manly player batting a ball backwards and ruling it went forward. See the Mudgee game. If you can see on video a ball is batted forwards, means you can just as easily see a ball passed forward.

Even a knock on potentially has the same issues that ruling on a forward pass has. It's a cop out.

 

[eaglebuzz]

I like the challenge system tbh. I don't think we would have won the Rd 5 game against the warriors without DCE challenging a couple of dodgy calls I think the rule change has helped us more than it has hindered us.

I think being limited to one incorrect challenge is a good check on it being abused. If there are opportunities for successful challenges because of Ref howlers, they deserve for them to be called out in real time and the game stopped. I wish they WOULD add things like offside at the ruck and forward passes to the list of things that can be challenged.

 

[QLDSeaeagle]

forward passes

DON'T get me started, so many forward passes go unnoticed, I reckon they get counted by a separate panel, when a team hits 3 forward passes, the opposition get an immediate 6 again following their next 6. Forward passes gone overnight.

 

[QLDSeaeagle]

If you can see on video a ball is batted forwards, means you can just as easily see a ball passed forward.

Does the NRL still straight faced say' the technology does not yet exist that can be considered reliable.
whereas 8 years ago
The NFL use an already developed "Next Gen Stats" system using RFID chips in every player and official (the ball) and in locations on field. The tracking system captures player data such as location, speed, distance traveled and acceleration at a rate of 10 times per second, and charts individual movements within inches. The raw data is used to automate player participation reports, calculate performance metrics, and derive advanced statistics through machine learning (ML) on AWS. More than 200 new data points are created on every play of every game.(courtesy of NFL).This includes ball tracking at 10 times per second

 

[eagleron]

Really, has the Captain's Challenge been a success? I think not.
It was introduced to stop a "howler", such as committed last year in our first clash with Doesn'tmatta which cost us the match, but you can't challenge a forward pass so that incorrect decision would have still stood.
I wasn't aware you could challenge a high shot but Teddy did and won a penalty for Easts.... Because there are limited things you can challenge it is yet another "innovation" that resembles being a little bit pregnant.
Either you should be able to challenge everything or get rid of it. It is just another intrusion in the sport that usurps the authority of the on-field referee and allows the bloody Bunker to play heads-or-tails with decisions.

I can't understand why you can't challenge a forward pass when it is an illegality to begin with, it bugs me big time, there's a plethora of rulings that can be challenged so why not a forward pass?

 

[QLDSeaeagle]

so why not a forward pass?

The bunker can't rule on it from video too inconclusive,( or read smells like bull$hit) apparently the Howlers we see, particularly to first receiver, are figments of our mass imagination, driven by an hysterical need to win