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Many more tough decisions ...

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by The Who, Jun 7, 2015.

  1. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    If we thought the Gift-Whatnow transfers were controversial wait until Snake asks to extend his contract for a further season, to 2017. Having followed Manly for 55 years or so, I rate him our finest fullback - just easing past Wombat. However, if we want to maintain a competitive team in the next few years our club management is going to have to make some tough and unpopular decisions. Many on here will disagree, but I believe we shouldn't extent Snake's contract. Yes, he's playing well now, and probably will again in 2016.
    But our team has shown that remaining loyal to ageing champions does have a cost on the premiership ladder.
    Lyon, Matai and Ballin are champions, but the years have taken their toll. Can you imagine how they will be playing in two years time?
    We are all gutted by the team's performance this season. Unless we get some youth and enthusiasm into our 17 then how can we expect to improve? Weighing up how we reward our champions for sterling long service against replacing them with promising players is a no-win decision for Kelly and Penn.
     
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    • Flying-Hi

      Flying-Hi New Member

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      I would give him an extra year!
       
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      • The Who

        The Who Well-Known Member

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        And would you also have extended the contact of Gift, Whatnow, Kite, Lyon, Matai, Ballin . . . I'd image you'd say "yes" because you remember them all at their peak.
         
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        • Pittwater Legend

          Pittwater Legend Well-Known Member

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          If we plan not to extend Snake's contract beyond 2016 then I hope that admin has that conversation with him in the coming off season. Tom Trbojevic and Gutherson are already worthy of first grade spots and I really don't want to make them wait beyond 2016.

          I'm worried about Matai because he plays the game so intensely and gives it his all. You can't go as hard as he does and not burn out.

          Lyon is playing at an age where most players have already gone into retirement. His age is showing in his performances this season.

          Out of the players you've mentioned, I believe Ballin is the one who can remain valuable for us until his contract expires. The forwards are going poorly and I think that is unfairly reflecting on Ballin. He offers us great distribution and solid defence. That has always been the cornerstone of his game. By all means, give him a sub who is sharp around dummy half. But he is not past it and I don't expect him to be for his time left with us.
           
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          • Terry Zarsoff

            Terry Zarsoff Well-Known Member

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            No surprise I know, however Stewart would benefit from having better wingers at the back with him. This season at least that would include Williams, plus Turbo Jr. Next year Gutherson should be back in the mix.

            And shame on you TW. You are suffering from a case of Zorbitis. That is a desire to erase Eadie's vastly superior all-round record and ability, in favour of Stewart's try scoring feats!
             
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            • mave

              mave Well-Known Member Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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              Im of the opinion that young Tom has the potential and ability to be better than Stewart.
              I guess we will find out in 12-14 years time.
               
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              • tookey

                tookey Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                If the NRL increased the long serving player allowance to a realistic level similar to what the AFL have then we can keep him for another year and not lose any of the younger players.
                 
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                • highlandeagle

                  highlandeagle Still hating Gallop

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                  Of the old brigade I'd give snake an extra year extension.Lyon should retire after this year and Matai should follow suit in 2016.That leaves the backline in 2017 as
                  1) Snake
                  2)Tafua
                  3)Gutherson
                  4)Hiku
                  5)Tom T
                  6)?
                  7)DCE
                   
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                  • Wyllie Eagle

                    Wyllie Eagle Active Member

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                    He'll get another year. If Zorba's influence over the Board/owners remains intact, hell ensure he gets the deal.
                     
                  • Pittwater Legend

                    Pittwater Legend Well-Known Member

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                    I had another think about it. If he wants it then give it to him. He's still going great and he'd be 32 if he hangs up the boots at the end of the 2017 season. To put that into perspective, Minichiello was 33 when he played in the 2013 grand final. Snake has always been superior to the Roosters legend.
                     
                  • Fluffy

                    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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                    Tough call is right.

                    Hindsight shows we the right call with Gifty all he would have added this year is to the record injurey toll + chewed up cap space for DCE.

                    Stewy should do a Beaver - head to super league for a year or 2 in semi retirement
                     
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                    • robbiea

                      robbiea Well-Known Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                      Make it performance based ,if he is still firing before round 13 next year ,up him .If not ,let him & (probably Glenn ) go to England & top up their nest eggs..
                       
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                      • XV-1

                        XV-1 Well-Known Member

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                        Sign Snake for another year to 2017. After all we extended Matai and Ballin for two more years.

                        Tom T on one wing now and Gutherson on the other for 2016

                        No place for Hiku and Tafua unless they want to wait for Lyons, Snake and Matai to retire.

                        Tom T and Gutherson are our future and Snake is our great present and past - Look after these 3 guys and tough luck for the rest.
                         
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                        • HappilyManly

                          HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                          Hindsight also shows that agreeing to Matai's request to join the Warriors would have been beneficial :wasntme:

                          His front on defence is still amazing, but his bandaged shoulders can not react to anyone on his right. :(
                           
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                          • XV-1

                            XV-1 Well-Known Member

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                            Except we signed Matai for two more years til 2017. Are you suggesting paying him out?
                             
                          • lovefooty

                            lovefooty Well-Known Member

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                            BINGO !!
                             
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                            • eagle40

                              eagle40 Active Member

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                              He is asking for one year, not four like Dropmough. He deserves it.
                               
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                              • HappilyManly

                                HappilyManly MWTS Premium Member 2017 Tipping Competitor

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                                There is no hurry to extend Snake as no other NRL Club wants him.

                                Manly can wait till midway 2016 and see how the young ones are going :)

                                If we are getting a new Coach, then he should be able to restructure the roster to suit his needs @:cool:
                                 
                              • NewwyEagle

                                NewwyEagle I sleep in a racing car

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                                Call me crazy, but I think he's gonna be going strong in 2017.
                                He seems to have finally gotten his legs right (I know they'll never be what they once were) and those two years he missed, plus all the games he missed from 2011-13, might actually help him play on that little bit longer.
                                 
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                                • ManlyMatt

                                  ManlyMatt Well-Known Member

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                                  Stewart ----> Trbojevic
                                  Matai ----> Hiku
                                  Lyon ----> Gutherson
                                  Ballin ----> Hodges

                                  Time waits for no man! We have the old brigade's able replacements ready to go. Why are we looking backward when all we can go is forward?
                                   

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