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wombatgc

KT 623
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Fans will always be divided into glass-half-empty and glass-half-full personalities. We just have to remember to respect everyone else's opinion. And if you can't understand why anyone would be so optimistic, or so pessimistic, don't let it get to you. It doesn't make them wrong, or idiots (even though they might just be both). And never, ever forget that the ignore button is your friend.
Good one Ron. I took a double dose of your last paragraph. It’s not a case of being wrong or right for me, but just pure frustration. After the game I was just on one big time. I wanted scalps, Nathan Brown-style. The red mist had definitely set in. I still believe the foundation to the things I said about Seibold, but maybe it was one of those times I should have given myself the 24 hour Silvertails ban before ripping in.

The bye has come at a great time for the team. And from a health point of view good for the team and my blood pressure.

I think it’s time for a mid season "Kumbaya" moment. :party:
 

Dion Johnson

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They were missing some key players, though the attack was horrible, Brown did his best and was the lone soldier for me offensively.

Brooks had his worst game in a Manly jumper didn’t own the game like he could have, the team have won without Turbo, though without DCE it’s going to be a hard ask.

Still think they make the eight, though the Knights game the team will have origin players out and they will have Ponga back.

Mestrov for me has question marks on him with the failed recruitment of a backrower after the Schuster sacking, some rumours that Horse is a target but he is still under contract.
 

Jerry1

First Grader
The days of Manly being a powerhouse are gone, long gone.

Get use to it.

Yes I agree 100% with your sentiment and reasons but things have changed.

Maybe a lot of fans have only come along for the ride because we were so great for so long. That always happens, look at St George, Souths, Roosters, Bulldogs, Eels, and Panthers how many of their fans "signed up" during the good times.

LIke many, I thought the good times would never end. For the first 40 years of my following this club there was only about 5 seasons (Northern Eagles included) when I thought we had no hope of winning the comp.

Now for 10 consecutive seasons I have had little hope of Grand Final success, except fleetingly in 2021. In that time we have won 2 post season matches, I repeat two finals wins in 10 seasons. Actually for most of that period not really thinking we could even make the 8. Here are the results just to refresh the memories of all

2015 9th
2016 13th
2017 6th
2018 15th
2019 6th
2020 13th
2021 4th
2022 11th
2023 12th


So my question is after we get beaten by a mere 14 points with our team missing a dozen players why are people feeling so much pain. Its not new, it wasn't unexpected.

My love for the team is not what it was 15 years ago. But I support the players that take the field every week just as much as I did in 1978 or 2011.

Try to enjoy the ride, its bumpy, its not what it was but they are still Manly.
My point is that if you hire a coach with a proven track record of failure then that’s what you are likely to continue to get.
I wave my flag every week but since that numpty Penn got control of the club we’ve been on the slide.
 

bob dylan

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My point is that if you hire a coach with a proven track record of failure then that’s what you are likely to continue to get.
I wave my flag every week but since that numpty Penn got control of the club we’ve been on the slide.


Yeah I couldnt agree more.

But I think we stopped sliding a few seasons ago, unfortunately we bottomed out with 3 club all time greats on the roster.

The front office and coaching for the last 10 season have been a complete farce. I think Des tried but he should never been re-hired.
 

mave

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Yeah I couldnt agree more.

But I think we stopped sliding a few seasons ago, unfortunately we bottomed out with 3 club all time greats on the roster.

The front office and coaching for the last 10 season have been a complete farce. I think Des tried but he should never been re-hired.

The common denominator is pretty damn obvious.
 

DanielLehi888

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And we also bombed a near certain try when Lawton made that break and chose a bad option when we had them on the ropes. And that Talau disallowed try... I believe he still would have likely scored either way. We really were inches away from being at least level with Souths with less than 10 minutes remaining. The boys tried their guts out for the entire 80 minutes and were far from being dominated up the middle. There was plenty to like about that performance and it now has me convinced that we are top 8 certainties this year. Although we are going to have to string 3 or 4 wins in a row at some stage of the season if we are to have any hope of pushing for the top 4. We should be back at full strength for the final 2 months so if Tom moves to the centres and Garrick back to the wing I believe we will really see some clinical displays in attack and end up just slipping into the top 4 (by one competition pt.)
 
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DanielLehi888

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Here are some stats from that game to be extremely proud of -

2013 running metres (in the wet). Souths had 18 more attacking runs than us yet only managed 55 more running metres.

Average set distance - 52.98m (season high?) Souths - 44.44 in comparison.

Our average play the balls speeds were considerably faster than Souths.

We had to make 75 more tackles than Souths yet still managed 90% tackle effectiveness.

Souths were piggybacked 10 times via penalties. Manly only received 3 penalties in comparison.

Defensively we were great considering the mass disruptions to the squad.

It was the errors that let us down in the end. 15 errors
 

Hibyemama

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We still had Brooks, koula Talau, brown, Burbo, Sipley, Lawton, at least 9 regular 1st graders in that side. Had it been a dry track, and not a duckpond, the score wouldnt have been 14-0. I still think in the wet, (leveller)manly could have played better. brooks was a disappointment. just left foot bombs all night. the souths fullback caught 100% of them. Only Lawton, Talau and Brown played decent. We were lucky cook, wighton and walker did not have a good night.
 

mickqld

Sea Eagle forever
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But don't we see that "I never thought we'd win" is the problem here?
I wonder if the Panthers , Storm , Roosters players/ supporters go into games minus several players thinking we're never going to win this.
 

krusty

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I wonder if the Panthers , Storm , Roosters players/ supporters go into games minus several players thinking we're never going to win this.
Yes they do attached is a panthers forum discussing the Cleary hamstring injury.
 

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Ryan

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Yes they do attached is a panthers forum discussing the Cleary hamstring injury.
Dude, that's a Bears forum hahahaha, and regardless, I hardly think the "freshen up, before we win a title" is really negative.
 
For all the negative characters on here… and for the few glass half full (hi mark) types.

There is an autobiography ‘one step ahead’ by rod macqueen (systems leading up to the 1999 rugby World Cup success) In this book, he talks at length about internal systems as evidence of team/ group cohesion developing ignoring the win loss KPI. This narrow approach, a win on the scoreboard assessment, doesn’t work in professional sporting environments. This is due to the contest, refereeing crowd/ home ground bias, player psychosocial factors etc.. basically this is an arbitrary measure for the layman fan watching on from a distance.

Good read if you want to broaden your insight into how Mestrov/ Seibold are approaching the building of the club. Of course, we are all hoping for a successful season, but I think we are one win from a top 5 spot atm?
 

krusty

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Dude, that's a Bears forum hahahaha, and regardless, I hardly think the "freshen up, before we win a title" is really negative.
The question was do the panthers storm etc fans go into games saying they are going to lose because they had several players missing. I gave one example which took less than a minute to find where fans of the threepeat champions were counting a loss based on one player being injured. Wasn’t about negativity. You mentioned that you think it’s a problem when Manly supporters think we won’t win when we have 10+ players missing from our starting side which is a bit silly really.
 

Ryan

Journey Man
The question was do the panthers storm etc fans go into games saying they are going to lose because they had several players missing. I gave one example which took less than a minute to find where fans of the threepeat champions were counting a loss based on one player being injured. Wasn’t about negativity. You mentioned that you think it’s a problem when Manly supporters think we won’t win when we have 10+ players missing from our starting side which is a bit silly really.

I will NEVER accept that people's expectations and hopes should be diminished for any reason. Our club deserves way more respect than that. Win, and win at all costs. Nothing else matters.

This is my view, but when people say they never expected us to win because of XYZ, so people shouldn't complaint afterwards regardless of the result - I think that's the epitome of negativity right there - worse than anything I could say.
 

BOZO

Journey Man
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I will NEVER accept that people's expectations and hopes should be diminished for any reason. Our club deserves way more respect than that. Win, and win at all costs. Nothing else matters.

Our club deserves way more respect than that. Win, and win at all costs. Nothing else matters.

Attitude is Everything and once we lose that above attitude we are fcked

ATTITUDE IS A LITTLE THING THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE
Quote by the Great Winston Churchill
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krusty

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I will NEVER accept that people's expectations and hopes should be diminished for any reason. Our club deserves way more respect than that. Win, and win at all costs. Nothing else matters.

This is my view, but when people say they never expected us to win because of XYZ, so people shouldn't complaint afterwards regardless of the result - I think that's the epitome of negativity right there - worse than anything I could say.
That attitude is totally fine, a little unrealistic in a competition with a salary cap. I hope that’s the attitude you also apply to your own life and work as well. No sick days for you :).
 

Ryan

Journey Man
The weather been abysmassal for 9 of the 10 last seasons.
Yet here we are, the ironed on one's, getting told we are flakey because we want us to win & turn this ****show around. Fair weathered fans are the one's who have drifted off and lost interest (from the club, not this site).
 
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