In saying Manly will do it tough over the coming years. Last in NYC, last in NSW cup. We've gone from having a gun NYC team, and a gun reggies team who won the Q Cup to having not a lot going for us in the lower grades. I think a lot of the reason Des left was that the Dogs could fund a better program than Manly can and provide a pipeline for the future. If you want to know who the dominant team will be over the coming years, it' s the Warriors. Great program; everyone kid in New Zealand wants to play for their Under 20s.