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Thurston vs DCE in Defence

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by MK Eagle, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Imo Thurston is the #1 half in the world & close to the best player, however because of his brilliant attack people tend to forgive huge stats of missed tackles & this is consistently. DCE again showed his confidence & attack are growing but this has overshadowed another great asset - his defence.

    Check out the w/ends stats

    Thurston 79 metres - 1 line break & 2 try assists
    DCE 77 metres - 1 line break & 2 try assists

    More importantly
    Thurston 10 tackles - 5 Missed tackles
    DCE 25 tackles - 0 Misses

    These stats show another bow to DCE's game & come seasons end in the tight games as brilliant as Thurston is- I feel pretty good about what DCE brings to our team & this shows his attitude is turned on.
     
  2. Dan

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    Teams send a lot of traffic turtles way, they perceive is defence as weak and target him consistently he falls off the odd tackle but gets good cover from Jamie Lyon who helps him out.

    Thurston usually has great defence in particular it is his tenacity and never say die attitude which makes him so good
     
  3. Fro

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    cant fault Thurstons desire to tackle, but his shoulders let him down, he physically cant do a lot of the work.
     
  4. Fluffy

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    DCE manages to slow the player down long enough for help which is a great asset for the smaller man.

    You dont need to put the big hits on has the half, jsut cover your patch of turf. He does this.
     
  5. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Fact is the weekly stats will show DCE makes more tackles than most halves with less misses - the only reason for showing Thurstons vs DCE is to show DCE is not just a 1 trick pony like many halves in attack & in the Seaeagles style of game - maybe the ideal fit for the team. For me the defensive stats in big games are more important than anything else.
     
  6. Masked Eagle

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    The missed stat tackle is one of the most missused stats in the game as is tackles made. They don't distinguish between poor reads where a player mightn't even get a finger on them or falling off a tackle when it didn't really matter. Likewise with tackles made, doesn't distinguish if your the third man in (the Hindy) or if you get carried along for the ride for 10m and they score the next play primarily because you couldn't dominate the tackle.

    Choc & Matai both had high missed tackle stats in our premiership year but next to thought was given to how often they changed the flow of the opposition attack or even saved tries with their style, people just pointed to the missed tackle column but the amount of tries scored because of that was next to nil.

    On DCE v Thurston defensively. Not much between them really, DCE mightn't fall off that many but he wouldn't make as many important/try saving tackles as JT would either. Most halves are really speed bumps and need help. Hodkinson isn't though, he's the best defender for a no 7 I've seen since toovs. He just doesn't make tackles he makes one on one dominant tackles against guys in full flight.
     
  7. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    I think Chris Sandow is one of the best tacklers ever...
     
  8. mosto

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    ???
     
  9. MK Eagle

    MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Agree with a couple of things ME like the important cover defending ect-that comes with the fact Thurston reads the play better & can predict a defensive lapse. Always gunna cause conjecture when i use the great Thurstons name - could have used Lockyer also, i certainly seem to see way more misses with the protected species than most media & commentators. Anyway the main point was how good DCE has been defensively & like or dislike stats 25 tackles no misses is pretty good. Btw the missed tackle stat may not matter in open games with 40-26 scorelines but come tight low scoring finals games its the difference between winning & losing.
     
  10. mcquinn

    mcquinn New Member

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    I think he meant tackling bag.
     
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    • Brookvale

      Brookvale Well-Known Member

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      thurston is tenatious on and off the field.
       
    • MK Eagle

      MK Eagle Well-Known Member

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      Yes great player - dont know him off the field - rather than praising Thurstons credability the topic was based on DCE & his strong defensive ability.
       
    • MadMarcus

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      Isn't it a bit early to be on the grog Fro?
       
    • The Eagle

      The Eagle Well-Known Member

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      I think he meant turnstile
       
    • Fro

      Fro Well-Known Member

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      At least some of you understood humour :)

      And its never too early Marcus, its 2 degrees here so that might be just the ticket to warm up :)
       
    • Brookvale

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      To the Nostrodamus' out there. Will DCE play origin for QLD?

      Given his main competition in say 5 years time will be Sandow

      I say yes!
       
    • Ceagle

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      I have noticed that his defense has improved each week, he seems to be working well with Stewart and Lyon.
       
    • Dan

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      Cronk is still pretty young isn't he, so I think he would sit behind him. But if no other superstar comes up I would say he would certainly be in contention
       
    • Ceagle

      Ceagle Well-Known Member

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      DCE could play 5/8 for QLD
       
    • Brookvale

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      Gooper Gronk is 27
      Snott Princess is 31
       

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