the forwards are a different story. This is probably the first time this year we have had two stars(Choc and Glen) out and I thought there was a risk of this happening(not to this extent of course).Without those two our pack consists of three topliners in Lawrence,Ballin and Buhrer, a solid first grader in Horo,a couple with possible potential like Lui and JSL and the rest are quite simply absolute plodders.Hasson and Starling are reserve graders.The real quandary is TRED,not sure what is going on there.I have always thought our bench is close to the weakest in the league and today probably affirmed that. Overall I don't think this flogging changes much.With our first thirteen fit and firing we can win the comp.If they are not we cant,and in fact if Choc and Glen were out long term we wont even figure.I think deep down everyone knows that so getting carried away with a loss like this is silly. This is a really close comp and anything can happen.The Dogs pack will probably eat us alive next week if Choc doesn't play or is not close to 100% fit so 16 points puts us in the pack.Time for the good old Manly spirit- still in it up to our eyeballs if injuries go our way. ps after today anyone who doubts DCE s value is crazy and those who talk about resting players who aren't totally 100% to save them for the end of the year are delusional.We have 13 extremely good players and not much else.