Des out coached by Fitzgibbon tonight
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frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Well, to be fair, there was NO-ONE in maroon and white...
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
You may be right but, as much as I hate to admit Cronk and the other Manly haters are right, we cannot beat a top 4 side (the good coaches) and now Fitzy has entered the frey...
Ryan
Journey Man
I take nothing out of that second half either. The Sharks put their cue's in the wrack, simple as that. We were summarily flogged yet again by another top 4 team.
Des was STUPID enough to select Harper over Koula this week, and for this alone, someone has to question his abilities as a coach. Everybody was already saying what a little powerhouse Talakai was before the game. Do people remember how Olam destroyed Harper. How Kikau destroyed Harper. Now he's been obliterated by Talakai.
It's not smart coaching, It's dumb.
Statistically, the Sharks edges score almost more points than any other team. What does Des suggest? A compressed defense, which allows them more time, and gives them more room / space.
That's not smart coaching. It's dumb.
One thing about The Sharks, is they are huge in the middle size wise. What's Des response? Pull our utility off the bench in Lawton, who's been one of the rare bits of spark for us from dummy half, with his diminutive size and agility, and puts him in the backrow ! What - The - **** !
Even IF Harper has the photo's of Des shagging that goat, if he didn't want to replace him, swap him over with Parker who was being slightly better defensively. At LEAST do that. But re-active, slow mo Des once again, did nothing until the game was ****ing lost.
It's been two years since Des coached a team that could beat another top 4 team in this league. He needs a coaching director. He's out of touch, slow in his application, doesn't get his players up and ready for important games.
People can defend him all they like. Those same people better start get used to being almost rans (at best) - because Des is mediocre.
Des was STUPID enough to select Harper over Koula this week, and for this alone, someone has to question his abilities as a coach. Everybody was already saying what a little powerhouse Talakai was before the game. Do people remember how Olam destroyed Harper. How Kikau destroyed Harper. Now he's been obliterated by Talakai.
It's not smart coaching, It's dumb.
Statistically, the Sharks edges score almost more points than any other team. What does Des suggest? A compressed defense, which allows them more time, and gives them more room / space.
That's not smart coaching. It's dumb.
One thing about The Sharks, is they are huge in the middle size wise. What's Des response? Pull our utility off the bench in Lawton, who's been one of the rare bits of spark for us from dummy half, with his diminutive size and agility, and puts him in the backrow ! What - The - **** !
Even IF Harper has the photo's of Des shagging that goat, if he didn't want to replace him, swap him over with Parker who was being slightly better defensively. At LEAST do that. But re-active, slow mo Des once again, did nothing until the game was ****ing lost.
It's been two years since Des coached a team that could beat another top 4 team in this league. He needs a coaching director. He's out of touch, slow in his application, doesn't get his players up and ready for important games.
People can defend him all they like. Those same people better start get used to being almost rans (at best) - because Des is mediocre.
Two standouts for me, tent not starting and getting more minutes of game time along with selecting Harper over Koula.
There is a reason why Harper didn’t make it at the dogs..
There is a reason why Harper didn’t make it at the dogs..
Ryan
Journey Man
2021
1. Storm
2. Panthers
3. Rabbits
4. Sea Eagles
5. Roosters
and we are week 7
2022
People assume Storm, Panthers and probably Sharks will be there.
That's 18 months without a win over teams that haven't finished or are projected to finish in the top 4.
Going by your rule, Bulldogs were in the top 4 in the first few rounds this year, and we beat them, too, so we must have beaten a top 4 team.
frank stokes
I discriminate indiscriminately
Well if you want to hang your hat on those wins against f*cking parra (who lost to the Tigers the other night)... I admire you as you are optimistic...
JakeyB789
Reserve Grader
I don’t think he necessarily got out-coached, just finally exposed for his continued poor team selection. Everyone knows starting Harper was a terrible decision and that was proven in the first 2 minutes but his forward rotations and use of the bench is horrendous. Dropping Paseka to the bench when we were already down Aloiai, Marty and Keppie to start a second rower in Davey up front (made 6 runs for the whole game) made no sense. Bullemor (who I thought was quite good tonight) came on after about an hour only due to injuries and the rest of our bench was 2 centres in Walker and Koula. No surprise that we get beat up in the middle when this is happening.
Terry Zarsoff
First Grader
Yes if you lose, chances are the opposition coach has ’outcoached’ your coach.
Insightful stuff Riceburner.
maxta
First Grader
Des outcoached him 22 - 0 in the 2nd half
I do agree however, Harper HAD TO BE HOOKED after that 2nd try tonight, namely as he was not interested in contesting Talaki more so than the poor positioning and soft defensive contact
I give Manly and Des credit 2nd half and with a couple of correct decisions, could have snatched an unlikely win
Gutsy last 40 minutes, I hope the first half gets buried next to the Titanic
I do agree however, Harper HAD TO BE HOOKED after that 2nd try tonight, namely as he was not interested in contesting Talaki more so than the poor positioning and soft defensive contact
I give Manly and Des credit 2nd half and with a couple of correct decisions, could have snatched an unlikely win
Gutsy last 40 minutes, I hope the first half gets buried next to the Titanic
Ryan
Journey Man
You happy with that performance mate?
And your response doesn't address the not beating a top 4 team in 18 months?
Parker and Harper both have been given a significant amount of games to show what they are made of, if only Des would give Tippytoes a the same amount of games at left centre and Koula on the right edge we could find out how good they are.
Not necessarily. However if one continues to make the same mistakes and not change things up, you generally will be out coached.
Bellamy has changed his coaching style several times over the past 4 years.
Are you happy with Des's coaching? I guess you are.
Ryan
Journey Man
The strength of Bellamy, is his systems and game management adapts week-by-week depending on the opposition, and conditions. Des on the other hand has his 2008 standard, nothing changes (it's decent against the pretenders), but come up against any form of quality, we just get flogged.
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