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[Cliffycomeback]

I'm not religious, but support anyone's right to believe and worship however they want.
But I don't support discrimination, or fermenting hate, based on what people think their god wants.
Common examples where religious people (not all) try to control others are sexuality and women's rights. My first wife was treated horrendously by the catholic church when she was young, it's affected her entire life, and by extension also my own. Not in a positive way. Hopefully it's obvious from what I just wrote that I also oppose religious extremism and zealotry.
As for details of Charlie Kirk's actions and beliefs, everyone can look things up and do their own research.
It's terrible that he was shot down, awful for anyone to be assaulted or harmed let alone murdered.
As I said in the first post, I was under the impression he was a young guy who was passionate about encouraging respectful political debate. On digging only a little a different picture emerged.
Doesn't mean I'm not appalled by his murder. As I'm daily appalled by innocent children dying slowly in terror trapped under the rubble of bombed buildings, or even worse, from starvation, whether in Middle east, africa, america, Australia whatever. Plenty of trouble spots in the world
Anyway Charlie Kirk is now being held up as a martyr or even a saint. An awful loss for his wife and young kids, at least they've got money and the support of some of the most powerful people on earth. So I'm pretty sure my opinion won't make much difference either way

Thanks for making the effort to respond. I didn't think you would. Sorry to hear about the obvious harm parts of the Catholic Church inflicted on your wife which also then impacted you. It's sometimes easy to form opinions of people on these boards, but in reality we really know nothing about the things we have experienced in life. I agree with you that all forms of human suffering is horrible.

 

[manlyfan76]

I think it is great that we can express our views in threads like this. I am however surprised that some feel or seem to come across that this site is a means of having a debate with the view of somehow out pointing or better still convincing someone that their view is wrong especially when trying to do this via shame. This is a pointless and foolish endeavour! I have made the mistake of trying to do this in the past. Unless you can have a fairdinkum face to face conversation debating here will only lead to disappointment and frustration.

I found this take very interesting, it sort of covers some of the points you make.