Internal NRL draft

[Snake]

There was a really irresponsible article in the Telecrap yesterday along the lines of the NRL being "the best drama in Australia" and that fans were "lapping it up" with unprecedented interest because of all the play movement in the market.

What a load of crap! The game is an absolute joke at the moment because the battle is no longer won on the field, it's won at the player managers round table. It's just constant and unrelenting speculation about who will play where, when it might happen and it's been said a thousand times but a contract is no longer a contract. I find the whole thing disturbing, ridiculous and downright putrid. To make matters worse, Greenturd was championing the interest in the NRL which means he is certainly not concerned about fixing this problem for the fans.

Gus has his own idea about he might rectify the problem and I am all for it!

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/04/12/07/21/channel-nine-commentator-phil-gould-calls-for-an-nrl-draft

I’d be surprised if fans aren’t totally fed up with all this talk of player movement. We read of clubs being stripped of their stars, weaker clubs losing out to the bigger clubs in the battle to sign marquee talent, and even suggestions that players will ask for a release from their current club only six weeks into this year’s competition, to join another NRL team.
Read more at http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/04/12/...ld-calls-for-an-nrl-draft#6BGO6MewmDqgSUgR.99

 

[Deleted member 26876]

Can anyone explain to me how exactly a draft system works

 

[Ned]

Just the old gas bag Gus bloviating again. The idea that the NRL should have a player draft has been around for over a decade and the fact that the VFL..AFL or whatever it's called has done this successfully is just another slap of reality in the face of the miss managed NRL.

Yeah I agree but this is nothing new and should've happened a decade ago, that's how far behind the NRL management and 'independent' commission are. They are just interested in stripping as much from the game for themselves as they can, they don't give a **** about the future of the game unfortunately.

 

[mosto]

The article you're referring to was written by Paul Kent...enough said. Worst sports "journalist" I've seen.

Absolutely agree with a draft. If generating interest league is their concern, look at the NFL. They're about to hold their draft and US sports forums and news sites are full of mock drafts and speculation on who might go where.

Couple that with a complete revamp of the salary cap. I'd like to see a points system introduced, where a salary cap committee assigns a value to each player. So, as an example, each clubs cap may be say, 10,000 points. Thurston, as the games top player might be assigned 1,000 points. Rookies might be assigned 100 points. Then all other players are assigned values in between. The actual contract value of the player is not restricted so clubs can pay a player whatever they want, which with TPA's that happens now anyway. But richer clubs shouldn't be able to stockpile talent as their combined cap value wouldn't allow it. All players cap values are to be public knowledge so everyone can see exactly how much each club is using from their cap. Combined with a draft so lower clubs get first crack of the off contract and new talent, I think it would be a better system than what we have now.

 

[Bearfax]

Not sure how an Internal Draft system works, but I have been in support of a draft system for player movements for decades. I know that there are legal complications that brought it undone in the 90s, but it is the best way to ensure some equability in the game. Making teams more equal ensures a better competition and retains interest in the game because weaker clubs can be more sure of being competitive and therefore more appealing to their fans. And surely that's what is imperative. Drawing the interest of as many fans as possible.

The thing is it doesnt stop teams from spending a fortune in holding onto a player they want, but poaching becomes much more difficult and players cant be assured they will end up at a club they want. Whether you broaden the draft system to include new young players coming into grade, is another issue.

But to stop the Parramattas, Canterburys, Brisbanes, Sydney Citys from ransacking weaker clubs, or smaller clubs paying a fortune for a player just to ensure they are competitive, you need the Draft

 

[Snake]

I also think that when a player like Mitchell Moses is getting 1mil a season and a player like David Naofuluma is "hot property" on the open market, something is wrong. These clowns should be happy to earn their stripes in FG at the Tigers but because of the current system, a club like the slimy Eels pay them way more than they are worth and it's hurting the game. Why should Tigers fans have to watch their roster be dilapidated while the NRL sits back and lets it happen.

 

[TagMonster]

The process towards a rookie draft system would likely take up to 10 years to implement. To be honest though, the NRL needs to start this now. The NRL needs to work with NSW and QLD Rugby League and set up a proper U18s competition. Run it under the school boys program if need be to start with. Following that you can either have an NRL run U20s competition or have it full under the NSW & QLD Cup.

Players are eligible to declare for the draft after playing minimum 1 season after finishing School Boys. From there it is a simple draft similar to that used in the NFL and AFL. Last placed team gets first pick, first gets last. Rinse and repeat for say 3-4 rounds. Teams can trade picks for players or future/current picks. All players drafted are signed to a minimum 4 year contract for a pre determined salary based on the position they were drafted. 1st round picks get a 5th year team option in the contract. This rookie contract system is exactly what the NFL implemented 3 or so years ago. One of the benefits it has had is it has suppressed the market for veteran players as a rookie contract is much more appealing. The top 3-4 halves, fullbacks etc will still get insane money but the mid level guys are on much more sensible money. Plus the rookies are on much less.

Alternatively, introduce a points system similar to that mentioned. All 16 teams elect a representative that votes on the point value of each and every registered player. Top 3 and bottom 3 point values are ignored and the average of the remainder is awarded to the player. The teams are then free to pay the players whatever the hell they want.

To be honest a combination of the two would be the ideal fit. Rookies are all awarded the same base points regardless and their salaries are fixed based on draft position. All veteran players that are no longer on their rookie contract are then awarded a point based salary and the club is free to pay them whatever they want.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

It's interesting , many want to see expansion, I actually think there's not enough top players to go around now, if expansion came in ( unless the NRL brought in some sort of points system) you'd see the player market escalate even further!!

 

[Snake]

At the very least, if they can't implement a draft as yet for whatever reason, we need to see a transfer window at the end of the season...what sort of competition involves Moses lining up for the Tigers on Monday against the Eels, only to be an Eel the following day? Absolutely ridiculous.
I am tired of constant speculation about recruitment when there are actual football games taking place at the moment that are more important. All the focus is on recruitment; what a farce!

 

[Snake]

Get rid of TPA's and that will stop undermining the salary cap.

When teams don't have to pay overs for players to try and keep up with the Donkeys and their $10m salary cap, then the issue will go away. It is such a flawed system to have a salary cap and then uncapped TPA's.

All these issues stem back to an uneven playing field. Make it even and these issues will disappear. Clubs will pay what players are worth.

I agree but the players association will call it a restriction of trade and the players will all start going to France and Japanese Rugby in order to earn more $$$.

My main gripe is not so much the $$$ either...sure it's not ideal to have some clubs using TPA's to take advantage of the cap, but at the very least I would like a contract to mean something again and I would like all the speculation and recruitment shenanigans to happen at the end of the season so we can all get on with watching the footy instead of stressing about what the following year holds. Everything is a prospective crystal ball illusion and it's getting old.

 

[globaleagle]

Why should Tigers fans have to watch their roster be dilapidated while the NRL sits back and lets it happen.

Yes it's interesting the the nrl are happy to watch the tigers roster get decimated when last year they 'didn't want to hurt the players' and brought in weak penalties that basically allowed the core of parra to stay together and continue to sign big names.



When I say interesting I mean of course; ****ed in the head.

 

[Andrew..]

The News Limited Broncos and Storm probably rate as 1 and 2 on my most despised teams lists.
No matter how much spin they put on it I just can't stand nepotism.

 

[Michael Clare]

The News Limited Broncos and Storm probably rate as 1 and 2 on my most despised teams lists.
No matter how much spin they put on it I just can't stand nepotism.

Truer words never spoken.

 

[Michael Clare]

I agree. The timing of player contracts needs tightening. All this mid season stuff is no good for the game. I'm a big fan of the afls draft setup. Spreads the quality of players amongst the clubs.

But in relation to the TPA's, remove them and increase the salary cap. Same money gets spent on the players - just makes it fair for all teams. If your team cannot afford the increase in cap then they probably shouldn't be in the comp....?

Great comment - too sensible!

 

[Michael Clare]

Yes it's interesting the the nrl are happy to watch the tigers roster get decimated when last year they 'didn't want to hurt the players' and brought in weak penalties that basically allowed the core of parra to stay together and continue to sign big names.



When I say interesting I mean of course; ****ed in the head.

You're so right ... some clubs travel the golden highway, while other travel along dirt roads!

 

[Disco]

Honestly, I have no idea where I stand on a rookie or internal draft

I do look on with interest at the NFL and NBA drafts, I love the theatre the excitement the fact that any struggling team can change there fortunes with the right gun rookie

At the same time I love locals playing for their team....Imagine our Turbo boys being drafted to the struggling knight and dragons, split up from each other and away from the club the loved

Also tanking becomes a huge late season issue, imagine us in 8th fighting in the last round to make the finals, but the team in 9th is playing a side with their eye on number draft pick

So in summary.........Hahaha I dunno

 

[The '47ers]

No matter how much spin they put on it I just can't stand nepotism.

Cause that would never happen at Manly

 

[wombatgc]

I also think that when a player like Mitchell Moses is getting 1mil a season and a player like David Naofuluma is "hot property" on the open market, something is wrong. These clowns should be happy to earn their stripes in FG at the Tigers but because of the current system, a club like the slimy Eels pay them way more than they are worth and it's hurting the game. Why should Tigers fans have to watch their roster be dilapidated while the NRL sits back and lets it happen.

What I don't understand is when a player signs on somewhere else, the original club let's them leave early...why?....I understand that you may want to bring a younger player in for the following year, but what if there isn't anyone of note? If all the clubs stuck solid and said OK you've signed elsewhere, but you'll be playing for us for the rest of the year. I like what Paul Green is doing with Ponga. We're not letting you go to the Knights yet. You'll play first grade when we need you, otherwise you'll be playing in the Intrust Cup.

 

[Snake]

Yeah I don't really understand the draft system enough to say I am 100% behind the idea but there MUST be some sort of approach that casts all this recruitment business to one side while the season proper is taking place...this approach also MUST put a stop players not honouring contracts.

The revolving door and the constant speculation 52 weeks of the year is turning me away from the game. It's not about football anymore...its all about whether we will sign a premiership winning squad sometime soon.

It's like we spend more time cheering on our administration to sign quality players and then for 80 minutes a week we watch on for the purpose of analysing where our administration have got it right or wrong and what needs to happen at the round table so we can win one day down the track. So messed up!

 

[Woodsie]

Tigers player roster is not being decimated by other clubs, players are walking out the door because the place is a basketcase of stupidity and mismanagement.

If a club is not good enough to compete in a free market, and artificial manipulation by the governing body is necessary for them to compete ... you get exactly what we now have ... a game stage managed and orchestrated by the NRL (read Greenturd).

Batty is correct in that the richer clubs can spend no more on players than the poorer clubs, the only difference is the TPA's. Get rid of them and the problem goes away.

I am not a fan of a draft system that requires young men to leave their homes and go interstate for up to 4 years. One of the last pleasures and tribal elements left to us is watching a young local come through the grades and make it .... I know how I would feel if Jake had been drafted by Melbourne and Tom by Parramatta ..... heaven forbid Toovey being a Roosters legend.

PSS The AFL draft hasn't been tested in a court of Law .... yet