It should have been extra time?

[Scaven]

Check this out, page 12 - 2b

xxxx://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/RadEditor/Documents/ARLRulesbook2014.pdf

What a farce the NRL is at the moment.

replace xxxx with h t t p (haven't made 5 posts)

 

[Eagleheart]

Thanks Scaven......!

Hmmmmmmmmm.......so if this is what the rulebook states:

".........For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10 minutes each way will be played......"

😡

Then, what are the rules?

:huh:

 

[Hamster Huey]

Get it on social media. I want to see an NRL comment on the 6pm news tonight!!!

 

[bones]

Well spotted mate. I've emailed it to talkin sport and tweeted it to the NRL and Manly. It's starting to spread.

 

[Eagles2nv]

Thanks Scaven......!

Hmmmmmmmmm.......so if this is what the rulebook states:

".........For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10 minutes each way will be played......"

😡

Then, what are the rules?

:huh:

But is there some by-law somewhere that states that once a point is scored the game is over??

 

[Eagleheart]

Well spotted mate. I've emailed it to talkin sport and tweeted it to the NRL and Manly. It's starting to spread.

Great stuff Bones......!

 

[Sillybus]

Wow this is huge! Top bloody job scaven!

 

[fLIP]

OK so here it is black and white. In the section down on the final few pages.

NRL Rule Book 2014

If scores are equal at the conclusion of
normal time, a period of extra time shall
follow whereby the first scorer of any point
or points will immediately be declared
the winner.
This will be for a maximum period of 10
minutes (5 minutes each half) except in Final
Series Matches.If the scores are still level at the end of the
period of extra time, then the game shall be
declared a draw (except in Finals matches,
where the match will continue until such time
as one team scores a point or points.).

Then Further up the documents is the following:

FINALS EXTRA TIME (NRL COMPETITION ONLY)
For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in
the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10
minutes each way will be played. If the scores are
still level at the expiration of extra time, the coin
will be tossed with the winner of the toss electing
the end of the ground to defend and play will
continue until the next score. That score will
determine the winner.

 

[Eagleheart]

Thanks Scaven......!

Hmmmmmmmmm.......so if this is what the rulebook states:

".........For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10 minutes each way will be played......"

😡

Then, what are the rules?

:huh:

But is there some by-law somewhere that states that once a point is scored the game is over??

Hmmm good point, not sure about that one Eagles2nv.

 

[bob dylan]

It has been posted on twitter.

 

[Lord Eagleton]

Rematch. Lets take it to the court of arbitration. Boys, get off the turps, you've got a mid week game to play

 

[Fluffy]

It is not well written from a legal point of view but there is a spot under drawn matches which states extra time of 5 minutes each way will be played until one team scores

 

[Eagles2nv]

OK so here it is black and white. In the section down on the final few pages.

NRL Rule Book 2014

If scores are equal at the conclusion of
normal time, a period of extra time shall
follow whereby the first scorer of any point
or points will immediately be declared
the winner.
This will be for a maximum period of 10
minutes (5 minutes each half) except in Final
Series Matches.If the scores are still level at the end of the
period of extra time, then the game shall be
declared a draw (except in Finals matches,
where the match will continue until such time
as one team scores a point or points.).

Then Further up the documents is the following:

FINALS EXTRA TIME (NRL COMPETITION ONLY)
For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in
the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10
minutes each way will be played. If the scores are
still level at the expiration of extra time, the coin
will be tossed with the winner of the toss electing
the end of the ground to defend and play will
continue until the next score. That score will
determine the winner.

So according to the last line, golden point doesn't take effect until the end of the first 20 minutes of extra time has ended in a draw.?

Or is it implied that all extra time is golden point. Im getting mixed view from the way its written, but I think it was Golden point.

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It is not well written from a legal point of view but there is a spot under drawn matches which states extra time of 5 minutes each way will be played until one team scores

But there is a line that states that finals are different? At least in terms of timing.

 

[Sillybus]

OK so here it is black and white. In the section down on the final few pages.

NRL Rule Book 2014

If scores are equal at the conclusion of
normal time, a period of extra time shall
follow whereby the first scorer of any point
or points will immediately be declared
the winner.
This will be for a maximum period of 10
minutes (5 minutes each half) except in Final
Series Matches.If the scores are still level at the end of the
period of extra time, then the game shall be
declared a draw (except in Finals matches,
where the match will continue until such time
as one team scores a point or points.).

Then Further up the documents is the following:

FINALS EXTRA TIME (NRL COMPETITION ONLY)
For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in
the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10
minutes each way will be played. If the scores are
still level at the expiration of extra time, the coin
will be tossed with the winner of the toss electing
the end of the ground to defend and play will
continue until the next score. That score will
determine the winner.

So according to the last line, golden point doesn't take effect until the end of the first 20 minutes of extra time has ended in a draw.

But does the first line :

"If scores are equal at the conclusion of normal time, a period of extra time shall follow whereby the first scorer of any point or points will immediately be declared the winner." encompass the extra time for the finals? but then that would be kind of funny to then state it takes affect after the original extra time period.

In big black bold letters in brackets it says except in finals series. It should have been 10 minutes each way and THEN golden point comes in to it in the event of a draw at the end of the extra 20 minutes.

There is no other possible way to interpret that. It outlines what happens in the event of a draw then says except for finals matches. Then it goes on to explain what happens in a finals match. There has got to be an investigation!

 

[MadMarcus]

My interpretation of that is that golden point still applies in finals matches. The difference in finals matches is that instead of a max 5 mins each way of extra time there is 10 mins each way and then if they are still level they keep playing.

They did stuff one thing up though - if I recall they set up extra time to go for 5 mins and not 10 mins, but that didn't change the outcome of the game. The refs decided the game with poor decisions as per standard NRL policy.

 

[fLIP]

Sillybus is correct.

Every single piece in the document relating to drawn matches says FINALS ARE DIFFERENT.

followed by extra time of 10 minutes EACH WAY will be played

followed by If the scores are still level at the expiration of extra time play will
continue until the next score. That score will determine the winner.

Also take note of a period of extra time shall
follow whereby the first scorer of any point
or points will immediately be declared
the winner.
This will be for a maximum period of 10
minutes (5 minutes each half) except in Final
Series Matches.

 

[Eagles2nv]

OK so here it is black and white. In the section down on the final few pages.

NRL Rule Book 2014

If scores are equal at the conclusion of
normal time, a period of extra time shall
follow whereby the first scorer of any point
or points will immediately be declared
the winner.
This will be for a maximum period of 10
minutes (5 minutes each half) except in Final
Series Matches.If the scores are still level at the end of the
period of extra time, then the game shall be
declared a draw (except in Finals matches,
where the match will continue until such time
as one team scores a point or points.).

Then Further up the documents is the following:

FINALS EXTRA TIME (NRL COMPETITION ONLY)
For all finals games, including the Grand Final, in
the event of a draw at full time, extra time of 10
minutes each way will be played. If the scores are
still level at the expiration of extra time, the coin
will be tossed with the winner of the toss electing
the end of the ground to defend and play will
continue until the next score. That score will
determine the winner.

So according to the last line, golden point doesn't take effect until the end of the first 20 minutes of extra time has ended in a draw.

But does the first line :

"If scores are equal at the conclusion of normal time, a period of extra time shall follow whereby the first scorer of any point or points will immediately be declared the winner." encompass the extra time for the finals? but then that would be kind of funny to then state it takes affect after the original extra time period.

In big black bold letters in brackets it says except in finals series. It should have been 10 minutes each way and THEN golden point comes in to it in the event of a draw at the end of the extra 20 minutes.

There is no other possible way to interpret that. It outlines what happens in the event of a draw then says except for finals matches. Then it goes on to explain what happens in a finals match. There has got to be an investigation!

But you could interpret the bold section below as stating that golden point applies:

This will be for a maximum period of 10
minutes (5 minutes each half) except in Final
Series Matches.If the scores are still level at the end of the
period of extra time, then the game shall be
declared a draw (except in Finals matches,
where the match will continue until such time
as one team scores a point or points.).

I understand this line is more about 'there must be a winner' but it could also imply golden point.

Its poorly written.

 

[speedemon]

So for FINALS games, if draw at full time, there is a mandatory 20 minutes of extra time. If result is still a draw after 20 minutes, the game continues into golden point.

Yes? No? It's written very poorly.

 

[Eagleheart]

Hmmm not too clear IMO and was just wondering would we have a leg to stand on legally speaking?

 

[Sillybus]

There is nothing saying the first point scored determines the winner in finals series extra time as it states that in the explanation of normal game extra time. The only time it says the first point/s scored determines the winner is AFTER the extra time has been played and the scores are still level.