Its not all bad but it is

[jbb/james]

the results are not good but not everything is broken. The forwards often dominate even in games we lose. They generally dig in and give us a chance. We have points in us, we can score tries, better than most at times. Our defence is often criticised but it has steadily been improving. At times last week our goal line defence was awesome

But we dont get to play our game. The game is nearly always dictated to us. Our ability to control a game is close to the worst in the decade and this impacts everything we do

Forwards dont get great stats with only 40% of the ball
Defence cracks when you consistently have less ball
Our wingers have to be forwards because we are always at the wrong end of the field

The kicking game and a desire not to kick when we should costs us everything. 5th tackle running in our own half is rarely smart

So barret or cherry
Does barrett not believe in a kicking game
Does he not get into cherry about playing smart and make him accountable
Is he soft

Or does cherry ignore the orders or just use his smile to convince trent its someone elses job

Cherry tries his guts out and you can see he wants to win, so surely he must at some times consider a smart game will help him achieve that, or worse doe he just not have the capaciity to process this

Barretts gameplan and inability to remind cherry of his responsability or does cherry ignore his plan and just isnt that smart

Cherry or barret

I hope its barret , his contract is shorter but i reckon he is guilty of being sofft and that could change tomorrow

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Your last sentence, what are you alluding to?

 

[jbb/james]

Your last sentence, what are you alluding to?

Fair enough. Barrett may be soft on managing his playmaker but may get tapped on the shoulder from above and end up putting more pressure on cherry to play the role

Hope it helps, as i can see how you were confused

 

[The Who]

Over the decades Manly has almost always had a set of awesome backs who were fast, skilful; and exciting. We no longer have such players.
Tom Turbo, and occasionally DCE, are the only two that could possibly find a spot in a Manly backline of the past.
We are lacking creativity. Kelly and Walker show promise but don't see enough quality ball. Our other backs try to use their bulk, and it just doesn't work these days.
The only way I think we can become a force again is to invest in backs who have flair. Tom Wright is the only one in this category in our NRL squad. Yes, he is rocks and diamonds, but he must be worth a try.
I think we have sufficient forwards to carry us through 2019, but when we recruit it must be for a potentially dynamic back, even if he is young.

 

[madmax]

We have Jade Anderson!!

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

We have Jade Anderson!!

Love to see him get an opportunity before years end especially if Aku isn’t being resigned!

 

[maxta]

The Manly forwards match most in metres gained, post contact metres....and more.
The major problem is the quality in controlling tempo.
Though opposition often does not match the power carries of Manly forwards, they win more quick play the balls.
Often landing on elbows, knees, front and playing the ball as we still have players getting off the deck and onside.
If Manly could improve this I think we would have won 3-4 more games and the criticism of DCE would be eased as it would help him play direct at retreating defence, rather than sideways against the usual rushing defence.
The entire dynamics of Manlys game would improve dramatically.

 

[sheridanstand78]

the results are not good but not everything is broken. The forwards often dominate even in games we lose. They generally dig in and give us a chance. We have points in us, we can score tries, better than most at times. Our defence is often criticised but it has steadily been improving. At times last week our goal line defence was awesome

But we dont get to play our game. The game is nearly always dictated to us. Our ability to control a game is close to the worst in the decade and this impacts everything we do

Forwards dont get great stats with only 40% of the ball
Defence cracks when you consistently have less ball
Our wingers have to be forwards because we are always at the wrong end of the field

The kicking game and a desire not to kick when we should costs us everything. 5th tackle running in our own half is rarely smart

So barret or cherry
Does barrett not believe in a kicking game
Does he not get into cherry about playing smart and make him accountable
Is he soft

Or does cherry ignore the orders or just use his smile to convince trent its someone elses job

Cherry tries his guts out and you can see he wants to win, so surely he must at some times consider a smart game will help him achieve that, or worse doe he just not have the capaciity to process this

Barretts gameplan and inability to remind cherry of his responsability or does cherry ignore his plan and just isnt that smart

Cherry or barret

I hope its barret , his contract is shorter but i reckon he is guilty of being sofft and that could change tomorrow

lead It is a fact that in a lot of our defeats, we lead in line breaks, metres gained, busted tackles etc and we lose because we do not get repeat sets, our attacking kicks rarely lead to tries and the polish needed to manage close games has cost us dearly this season. We need to look at our six and seven, who have to do better!!!!

 

[KNUCKLES]

It's not all bad.. meh who am i kidding yeah it is lol

 

[Andrew..]

We need to invest in a quality half sooner rather than later.
Hodkinson is a great purchase only of he can keep us improving and it's too early to say wether that will be successful or not.

Personally I'd be happy to give away someone like Taupau or Walker if it means we can secure a quality controlling half.
There's no point making metres or having flashy centres if you can't control the tempo of the game and where it's played.

The problem is, who is a quality half that we can invest in? We simply don't have the coin to compete for the best and their arent to many off contract.

Best one I can figure is Riley Jacks but he still has question marks. Aiden Sezer but he is aging...

Unless of course we bring through Cust or Metcalf but this is a slow burn if at all....

I see no easy way out of this any time soon unfortunately. Suggestions anyone?....

There’s no way I want to lose a powerful 600k prop like Taupau to compensate for a 1.3 million dollar half that can’t hold up his end of the bargain.

 

[Technical Coach]

The Manly forwards match most in metres gained, post contact metres....and more.
The major problem is the quality in controlling tempo.
Though opposition often does not match the power carries of Manly forwards, they win more quick play the balls.
Often landing on elbows, knees, front and playing the ball as we still have players getting off the deck and onside.
If Manly could improve this I think we would have won 3-4 more games and the criticism of DCE would be eased as it would help him play direct at retreating defence, rather than sideways against the usual rushing defence.
The entire dynamics of Manlys game would improve dramatically.

Problem is DCE or our halves in general have not always played straight and direct even when the defensive line is retreating, or looking composed with structure and an element of science behind our plays.

As Kobe Bryant said recently in one of his player analysis videos "It's more important to craft something than to create"

 

[Kevinward777]

Problem is DCE or our halves in general have not always played straight and direct even when the defensive line is retreating, or looking composed with structure and an element of science behind our plays.

As Kobe Bryant said recently in one of his player analysis videos "It's more important to craft something than to create"

Dylan Walker played straight and direct against Rorters, Broncos and Storm... and we played our best consistent football during that time. You’re bang on the money there @Technical Coach.

 

[HoldenV8]

Over the decades Manly has almost always had a set of awesome backs who were fast, skilful; and exciting. We no longer have such players.
Tom Turbo, and occasionally DCE, are the only two that could possibly find a spot in a Manly backline of the past.
We are lacking creativity. Kelly and Walker show promise but don't see enough quality ball. Our other backs try to use their bulk, and it just doesn't work these days.
The only way I think we can become a force again is to invest in backs who have flair. Tom Wright is the only one in this category in our NRL squad. Yes, he is rocks and diamonds, but he must be worth a try.
I think we have sufficient forwards to carry us through 2019, but when we recruit it must be for a potentially dynamic back, even if he is young.

Not sure how Walker only "shows promise" when he's already won a premiership at Souffs as well as having played for both NSW and Australia. And last year he was the Dally M Centre of the Year and would have been in the Kangaroos WC squad had he not broken/dislocated his ankle in the PM's XIII game last year before the tournament. An injury which, along with the broken eye socket, has been the only reason he's only played 7 games so far this year.

And we really have missed him. Suli is still a big kid who runs hard (defence needs work though), but he's still very raw, while Parker and Matty Wright really offered nothing but bodies to fill in in comparison.

When he is fit and firing, Dylan Walker is arguably the best centre in the NRL.

 

[Kevinward777]

Not sure how Walker only "shows promise" when he's already won a premiership at Souffs as well as having played for both NSW and Australia. And last year he was the Dally M Centre of the Year and would have been in the Kangaroos WC squad had he not broken/dislocated his ankle in the PM's XIII game last year before the tournament. An injury which, along with the broken eye socket, has been the only reason he's only played 7 games so far this year.

And we really have missed him. Suli is still a big kid who runs hard (defence needs work though), but he's still very raw, while Parker and Matty Wright really offered nothing but bodies to fill in in comparison.

When he is fit and firing, Dylan Walker is arguably the best centre in the NRL.

No surprise that our best run of form was when Dylan played in the six. He had us on the front foot, great player. DCE could learn a thing or two about playing direct from Walker. Handled the six completely different to when he played there in 2016... and that’s the sign of a special player.

 

[ricardo]

Well get used to the bottom 8 .... When does Dces contactc finish?

2023. Only five more years

 

[maxta]

Problem is DCE or our halves in general have not always played straight and direct even when the defensive line is retreating, or looking composed with structure and an element of science behind our plays.

As Kobe Bryant said recently in one of his player analysis videos "It's more important to craft something than to create"

The problem as an instinctive player like DCE, who lacks organisational skill set, will react to the defence actions.
In other words when the defence is set, the A defenders are pushing up, plus the marker is angling across to add immediate pressure and DCE then plays sideways, creating a ripple effect for his outside runners..
The best chance of this changing is against a backpeddling defence, where he has shown in the past, will at times dig into the line at speed and looks far more dangerous.
The post was more directed at the fact its one thing to make more metres, but the importance of quick play the balls will usually trump metres gained and the halves will benefit greatly from this along with the team.

 

[Technical Coach]

Dylan Walker played straight and direct against Rorters, Broncos and Storm... and we played our best consistent football during that time. You’re bang on the money there @Technical Coach.

Dylan Walkers inexperience at first grade level 5/8 was showed up more in the first year due to a lack of consistent go forward, combined with the pressures of a new position, new club and not really being his natural position.

Yeah he might be lacking the natural gifted smart ball playing(but he can ballplay given time, confidence and a retreating defensive line) but i still do think he has some natural all round skill that could be developed and utilized more behind a more disciplined penetrating go forward pack against retreating defensive lines.

People will see the obvious difference an experienced Jamie Lyon or the composed smarts of Green made to the squad but that is far too simplistic a view in many respects----not entirely wrong but a very limited view of the issues at the time.