Jake T.

[SeaEagleRock8]

But I do believe you are being entirely dishonest by pretending it is all just a joke.

What are you on about? I didn't pretend it's all a joke, I said everyone's humour is different.

 

[Disco]

I still maintain Jakes demise is greatly exaggerated.

He still offers significant value to the team.

The leadership, passion, defensive work people acknowledge but he is also quite good on push supports and decoys. This is unfashionable work that creates space for our more creative players.

You will also notice before a lot of attacking moves Jake is getting us to a position on the field and gets a quick play the ball. To a casual viewer people may bemoan him taking a one out hit up without trying to bust the line but it is actually a team directive. Its about organising us.

He organises us a lot in attack and defense.

But yes, his personal output is quite a way down, he isnt busting tackles and breaking the line but that doesnt mean he isnt a net postive impact on the team.

Less minutes, yes
Less money next contract, yes
No good, a plodder, should retire.....not for me

 

[KaZa]

I still maintain Jakes demise is greatly exaggerated.

He still offers significant value to the team.

The leadership, passion, defensive work people acknowledge but he is also quite good on push supports and decoys. This is unfashionable work that creates space for our more creative players.

You will also notice before a lot of attacking moves Jake is getting us to a position on the field and gets a quick play the ball. To a casual viewer people may bemoan him taking a one out hit up without trying to bust the line but it is actually a team directive. Its about organising us.

He organises us a lot in attack and defense.

But yes, his personal output is quite a way down, he isnt busting tackles and breaking the line but that doesnt mean he isnt a net postive impact on the team.

Less minutes, yes
Less money next contract, yes
No good, a plodder, should retire.....not for me

Is that really enough? Especially on 1 mil a year. Im okay if he stays but his contract should be considerably lower. I do think the game has passed him by.. its too fast for him. His defence doesnt get rewarded in the modern game. His play the ball is quick but he hasnt really moved us forward much.. just feels like a wasted tackle when he hits it up. 400k is fair for what he offers. Hes been paid overs for quite a long time in my opinion.

 

[eaglebuzz]

I'm getting pretty sick of the NRL turning a blind eye to the attacking player raising their forearm into the tackler's face and pretending that it is an "accident".

Guys get 10 in the bin for a brush to the nose that bounces up off the ball but a full Luke O'Donnell face smash goes through to the keeper. Pisses me off.

 

[HK_Eagle]

I'm getting pretty sick of the NRL turning a blind eye to the attacking player raising their forearm into the tackler's face and pretending that it is an "accident".

Guys get 10 in the bin for a brush to the nose that bounces up off the ball but a full Luke O'Donnell face smash goes through to the keeper. Pisses me off.

Bang on, mate. It stinks to high heaven when they justify the soft calls against defenders tapping anywhere above the shoulders, but then choose to ignore the actions of the attacking players with the ball. Give me a break. It’s as bad as Laury telling me King is a better choice than May on form… 🙄

 

[Disco]

Is that really enough? Especially on 1 mil a year. Im okay if he stays but his contract should be considerably lower. I do think the game has passed him by.. its too fast for him. His defence doesnt get rewarded in the modern game. His play the ball is quick but he hasnt really moved us forward much.. just feels like a wasted tackle when he hits it up. 400k is fair for what he offers. Hes been paid overs for quite a long time in my opinion.

Well, as stated, less money next contract. It is what it is for this and next year.

The hope would be decreased minutes could lead to increased output.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I know it probably gives your ego a boost, but ever think about taking a break from being the morally superior arbiter of what’s acceptable? I’m sure “women folk” would be unacceptable to someone, so best make sure your own house is in order before projecting onto others. Have a good day, and try to smile every now and again, the world will probably survive without your moral policing for a few hours.

I’m not having a go at you personally, nor am I trying to project superior values onto others, but…

Recently, I read some damning statistics about violence (of all kinds) against women and one of the solutions in working towards lowering those statistics was to call out low level misogyny, that contributes to a problematic culture of how men see women in society.

No one is suggesting that a few lighthearted jokes are in any way in line with violence, just that it contributes to a broader culture where women’s bodies are objectified (there’s been some strange digressions in threads about women’s bodies recently) and gender stereotypes are used to insult and put down.

For a lot of men, it’ll stop at the objectification or stereotyping. For others, it conditions the way they see women in society and can contribute psychologically to the committing of horrific offences.

For this reason, I encourage @SeaEagleRock8 to keep calling it out. We all need a reminder sometimes that what seems harmless to us, might not be so harmless for others. We have to think about what sort of culture we want to build as men in society.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

I still maintain Jakes demise is greatly exaggerated.

He still offers significant value to the team.

The leadership, passion, defensive work people acknowledge but he is also quite good on push supports and decoys. This is unfashionable work that creates space for our more creative players.

You will also notice before a lot of attacking moves Jake is getting us to a position on the field and gets a quick play the ball. To a casual viewer people may bemoan him taking a one out hit up without trying to bust the line but it is actually a team directive. Its about organising us.

He organises us a lot in attack and defense.

But yes, his personal output is quite a way down, he isnt busting tackles and breaking the line but that doesnt mean he isnt a net postive impact on the team.

Less minutes, yes
Less money next contract, yes
No good, a plodder, should retire.....not for me

All great points, Disco, but all very dependant on not being knocked unconscious on the field. That's the only part of his demise that worries me.

 

[BOZO]

I still maintain Jakes demise is greatly exaggerated.

He still offers significant value to the team
He is also quite good on push supports and decoys. This is unfashionable work that creates space for our more creative players.

The leadership, passion,
Less money next contract, yes
No good, a plodder, should retire.....not for me

We all see different things feathered friend
Jakes dynamic demise is evident
When he came off from the head knock last week . It was Evident that His leadership , passion and presence and all the little passive things he does off the ball was not missed as the replacements and team took it upon them selves to step up a gear and further increase their dominance and points to win the game without him.

Less money next contract is as obvious as his declining as an aging player
Jake like all of us with age is not going to be as Great as we once were
Thats life , Thats Footy

 

[BOZO]

One more serious head knock and I would retire him
He has had a Great career . Why risk more head knocks and risk retiring an invalid
I would also offer him a coaching role so he can continue to inspire with his passion
Replace him with a more Dynamic on field Fire ball that can inspire the team with his actions
Win Win situation

 

[Disco]

All great points, Disco, but all very dependant on not being knocked unconscious on the field. That's the only part of his demise that worries me.

Well that is a very different discussion.

I think he needs a big break, at least a month, then assess.

If the concussions persist he should look after himself and consider retirement.

 

[Frogz]

Well that is a very different discussion.

I think he needs a big break, at least a month, then assess.

If the concussions persist he should look after himself and consider retirement.

He definitely needs more than 1 week off now.

 

[Disco]

He definitely needs more than 1 week off now.

100%

Personally if it was me, I'd retire but that is easy for me as an outsider to say.

When it has been your whole life, you are passionate about it and you love that team environment it would be tough.

For me though Id look at the Fenechs, Lewis's of the world and be terrified.

 

[Brookie1973]

I’m not having a go at you personally, nor am I trying to project superior values onto others, but…

Recently, I read some damning statistics about violence (of all kinds) against women and one of the solutions in working towards lowering those statistics was to call out low level misogyny, that contributes to a problematic culture of how men see women in society.

No one is suggesting that a few lighthearted jokes are in any way in line with violence, just that it contributes to a broader culture where women’s bodies are objectified (there’s been some strange digressions in threads about women’s bodies recently) and gender stereotypes are used to insult and put down.

For a lot of men, it’ll stop at the objectification or stereotyping. For others, it conditions the way they see women in society and can contribute psychologically to the committing of horrific offences.

For this reason, I encourage @SeaEagleRock8 to keep calling it out. We all need a reminder sometimes that what seems harmless to us, might not be so harmless for others. We have to think about what sort of culture we want to build as men in society.

Point well made and of course, no one wants to encourage violence of any kind, least of all me. However it does feel sometimes that certain people on here assume a position of moral superiority over others, across a range of topics and issues. How much of that is well meaning and how much is just posturing I don’t know.

But, as you say, we live in a society where everything we say is scrutinised, and perhaps misconstrued. I made a joke about being nagged by my wife, which could be construed as perpetuating a stereotype, or perhaps I am nagged constantly, which is itself a type of abuse. Was it a joke or was it a cry for help? Either way, in hindsight, it’s better to say nothing and not risk offending someone. I have therefore decided to stop posting for a while, which should please a couple of other members.

PS I don’t recall anyone voicing any concerns for Bozo and the pile on he cops on here on a regular basis. I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone, but he sure cops plenty of personal stuff. Pretty sure there are plenty of other well known members who have stopped posting for similar reasons. So whilst we continue to police for potential low level misogyny etc, let’s also police for straight out abuse. Cheers to all.

 

[47MVEagle]

All good by me mate. I don't care what you post tbh. But I do believe you are being entirely dishonest by pretending it is all just a joke. By all means state your views, call me whatever you want. And then stand by what you say. You don't like me that's fine. You're not the first or last who feels that way.

I don't like the persona you present on here. Which means we would almost certainly not like one another if we met face to face. But who really cares? Not me Mr McGee.

LOOOOOL Biff trying to come across as some beacon of morality.

Are you forgetting the absolutely heinous rubbish you used to post on here?

You're the last person to be chipping anyone else for their behaviour.

 

[47MVEagle]

Point well made and of course, no one wants to encourage violence of any kind, least of all me. However it does feel sometimes that certain people on here assume a position of moral superiority over others, across a range of topics and issues. How much of that is well meaning and how much is just posturing I don’t know.

But, as you say, we live in a society where everything we say is scrutinised, and perhaps misconstrued. I made a joke about being nagged by my wife, which could be construed as perpetuating a stereotype, or perhaps I am nagged constantly, which is itself a type of abuse. Was it a joke or was it a cry for help? Either way, in hindsight, it’s better to say nothing and not risk offending someone. I have therefore decided to stop posting for a while, which should please a couple of other members.

PS I don’t recall anyone voicing any concerns for Bozo and the pile on he cops on here on a regular basis. I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone, but he sure cops plenty of personal stuff. Pretty sure there are plenty of other well known members who have stopped posting for similar reasons. So whilst we continue to police for potential low level misogyny etc, let’s also police for straight out abuse. Cheers to all.

Almost like a coordinated pincer attack from 2 apparently completely unrelated posters LOL

 

[BOZO]

I have therefore decided to stop posting for a while, which should please a couple of other members.

Hey @Brookie1973 and All Feathered Friends
Do not stop being you
No one should stop being them selves and voicing their point of view
Have a break if you like but dont forget to come back
When we lose personalities . Character the forum will lack
All of us Make it the Silvertails forum , Big, Bold and Beautiful
And the Bigger the Better
More posters , More Characters , More passion and More Passionate views
No need to become like turtles and hide under a Rock
We should all Rise Like the Eagles that we are and Keep doing the Eagle Rock

 

[Thewestisbest]

LOOOOOL Biff trying to come across as some beacon of morality.

Are you forgetting the absolutely heinous rubbish you used to post on here?

You're the last person to be chipping anyone else for their behaviour.

Hey buddy, it might be a good time to remove the tin foil hat. Let your mind breathe.

As for me trying to be a beacon of morality, may I suggest you wander into the bathroom and take a long hard look in the mirror. Come on now, let's try and keep the peace rather than bringing back the Biff every time we don't agree on some point.

 

[Thewestisbest]

I’m not having a go at you personally, nor am I trying to project superior values onto others, but…

Recently, I read some damning statistics about violence (of all kinds) against women and one of the solutions in working towards lowering those statistics was to call out low level misogyny, that contributes to a problematic culture of how men see women in society.

No one is suggesting that a few lighthearted jokes are in any way in line with violence, just that it contributes to a broader culture where women’s bodies are objectified (there’s been some strange digressions in threads about women’s bodies recently) and gender stereotypes are used to insult and put down.

For a lot of men, it’ll stop at the objectification or stereotyping. For others, it conditions the way they see women in society and can contribute psychologically to the committing of horrific offences.

For this reason, I encourage @SeaEagleRock8 to keep calling it out. We all need a reminder sometimes that what seems harmless to us, might not be so harmless for others. We have to think about what sort of culture we want to build as men in society.

There are still women who exist in the world today who are proud to be Mother's, great cooks, wives of husbands, great home makers, etc. I know my wife prides herself on these things and finds zero offence in me saying so. She exemplifies the term "my better half."

 

[Thewestisbest]

Almost like a coordinated pincer attack from 2 apparently completely unrelated posters LOL

Your paranoia is a concern. Don't allow it to get the better of you. Seek help.