John Cartwright

Ryan

Journey Man
Please don't read if you don't want to hear a rant 😉

First off, apologies for being a negative Nancy lately with our lack of quality signings. I've been thinking of the reasons why we may be missing out on talent, and believe a lot of it may come down to John Cartwright.

John Cartwright is our Metro based recruitment Officer, and Scott Fulton is our regional based recruitment officer (since Bob Fulton left, who operated both roles).

As we all know, John has been positioning himself to leave the Sea Eagles (some reports are that should Anthony Griffin not cut the mustard at Penrith, John has been positioning himself with a move back to the mountains), but we know as fact (at least), that John applied for the NSW State of Origin role (along with 3 others), but John was cut first from selection, with it going down to a 2 horse race between Brad Fittler and Michael Mcguire.

You will also notice that John has been positioning himself with various representative squads, so that his resume & experience are getting richer (and why not, who doesn't want to progress their careers, right?).

This leads me to his position here at Manly as a recruitment officer. Yes, when Bob Fulton came in, we were able to secure a lot of top notch talent, but when Bob WASN'T here, the ability to attract players has completely dried up. Is John Cartwright's head in the job here at Manly, given all his representative secondments? Given his desire to be looking to get out all together (as seen with his application for the full time State of Origin role) & other representative activity?

I admit, I have not felt Cartwright's heart was in Manly, from the day we were playing Penrith at Brookvale, and the Panthers began steam rolling over the top of us. Poor old Trent Barrett was ropeable and gutted, and smashed the phone handset down on the table in front of him, all the while Cartwright was laughing. Very, VERY poor look for Cartwight - amazing for Trent, showing how his heart was on the line with our result.

I have heard that Cartwright doesn't say much (at all) at training, is very quiet game day. Most of the talking came down to Trent Barrett, and Willie Peters (who would actually get onto the field in warm up, and physically help the team, while Cartwright would stand on the field on his own, doing nothing).

I also admit, that I'm not happy in Cartwright luring Nate Myles and Dan Ferris to the club. Willie Peters (I can tell you straight up) was loved by the staff AND players, but felt so bullied by Ferris, he exploded at a work function. I wrote to Willie, recommending he go to The players Association about that. There needs to be some form of Union process. I've said all along, I'd have loved to get Donny Singe back, and he himself said to me, that if the club offered, he'd be keen.

So with everything else going on for John Cartwright, how much time is left over to focus on attaining recruits for the maroon and white? Is his heart here? We KNOW he wants out (he's applied for jobs - he just hasn't got them). Therefore, I say THIS is why we are in our current predicament. I'm SURE the club didn't want to be in a position that we were going into the season with this many unknown quantities needing to be relied upon, and positions that aren't certain.

If I'm Lyall Gorman, I'm looking for a recruitment officer who is knowledgable, passionate about the entity they are working for at any given point in time, an entity that wants to be there full stop, an entity that cares about the on field fortunes of our team.

I'm not sure John Cartwright is that, for us. Sorry guys, but really wanted to get that off my chest.

/rant
 
He seemed to work for us last year. Going from 13th to 6th.

- We've retained all but 3 aging players - Myles, Lawrence, Green.
- We have some great new up and comers in Tanginoa, Gosie, Sipley, Siro, Kelly, Lane.
- We have the best u20's team in the comp and have retained all the key players from that team for the future in Anderson, Funa, Cust, Fainu, Olakau'atu, Wright.
- We have retained all our rep superstars - Kapow, Api, Jurbo, DCE, Walker, Turbo.
- We have $800k for signings.

Sorry Ryan but I just don't get the rant at all....

You didn't hear about the fact the club brought in Bob Fulton, as we were in a crisis roster and form wise? It was a pretty big aspect of the business. His departure was only 24/10/2017.

- We've retained all but 3 aging players - Myles, Lawrence, Green.
Myles, granted. Lawrence, phew - dodged a bullet. Green, we needed straight up, and it's left a pretty big hole. Did you see how DCE fared in 2016 with Walker as his 5/8? Walker is pretty talented.

- We have some great new up and comers in Tanginoa, Gosie, Sipley, Siro, Kelly, Lane.
Siro, Kelly, Lane, I agree - I know some don't with Kelly & Lane - but I do. Tanginoa, Gosie and Sipley are unknown quantities, and saying otherwise is just guessing. Again, how did our backs go in 2016, without a proven forward pack? Stats are the stats. 11th placed finish.

- We have the best u20's team in the comp and have retained all the key players from that team for the future in Anderson, Funa, Cust, Fainu, Olakau'atu, Wright.
Honestly, I know I've debated this with others, but I disagree. We scraped into the 8 on for and against. For me, Rugby League quality is about consistency. Blacktown came last didn't they? That said, NYC played very well in the finals, and there are some potential stars there (Fainu mainly for mine - but Api is so young, and Trent wants to re-up him).

- We have retained all our rep superstars - Kapow, Api, Jurbo, DCE, Walker, Turbo.
I lolled at Jurbo 😉 But yes, we have, but Turbo2, Walks will also be returning rounds 2-6 they are projecting (Walks), and Turbo2 will be coming back from a rehab ladenned off season. Again, DCE can only work with what is around him - he's not a take charge, and be a dominant playing 1/2 back.

- We have $800k for signings.
Potentially, but we lack the ABILITY to spend it (baring in mind I don't want any player for the sake of having one - Hodko and Lamb), it needs to be the RIGHT player - Gutho or Norman types. Doers Cartwright have the selling skills to make that happen is another thing.

Now, most of the above happened on Bozo's watch. You read the articles, and you see how heavily Bob Fulton was named in these processes. That doesn't detract from any points I was making about John Cartwright, so sorry mate, I have to say you haven't convinced me, and that's what I'm actually hoping for - someone to say something that says I'm on the wrong path in my thinking about him.
 
I have never been a fan of Cartwright and never will. I expect this is his last year with us anyway and wouldn't be impressed if we re-signed him.

I would have loved to see Wayne (Lambkin) step into Peters role but not to be.

We have got a lot right over the last 2-3yrs to get us back on track; however, we have made a few mistakes along the way - Cartwright being one.
 
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I like him. And I would have laughed at Baz in the box too. It was funny.
 
I like him. And I would have laughed at Baz in the box too. It was funny.
What in particular do you like about him Loobs? Interested to see where you see his value add? Also pretty disappointing to see you found it funny when we were getting steam rolled. Sounds like apathy to me.

I was right there alongside Barrett tearing my lounge room apart.

I know I shouldn't let the losses affect me like they do, but my whole week is ruined by a Manly loss 😉
 
I thought he had accepted a role for 2018 at the chocolate soldiers?

Have to agree, if I was thinking of playing for Manly and knew he was the negotiator/contact, I wouldn't be encouraged and he would have to be some passionate clubman to sell me (of which he is not).

While Bozo has stepped down (back?) I am assuming he is still involved in some capacity?
 
What in particular do you like about him Loobs? Interested to see where you see his value add? Also pretty disappointing to see you found it funny when we were getting steam rolled. Sounds like apathy to me.

I was right there alongside Barrett tearing my lounge room apart.

I know I shouldn't let the losses affect me like they do, but my whole week is ruined by a Manly loss 😉
I had an experience with in high school when he was playing and came to run a training session for us and was a really good guy so I've thought that ever since.

And sorry mate but you don't get points from me for flipping out during a loss. It's not that important in the grand scheme (or any). You may want to try some form of mindfulness or resilience training.
 
I thought he had accepted a role for 2018 at the chocolate soldiers?

Have to agree, if I was thinking of playing for Manly and knew he was the negotiator/contact, I wouldn't be encouraged and he would have to be some passionate clubman to sell me (of which he is not).

While Bozo has stepped down (back?) I am assuming he is still involved in some capacity?

Nah mate, Bozo has left the club in our own hands now mate. Have to stay afloat on our own. Means Cartwright / S Fulton have to really step up like they have 😉
 
I had an experience with in high school when he was playing and came to run a training session for us and was a really good guy so I've thought that ever since.

And sorry mate but you don't get points from me for flipping out during a loss. It's not that important in the grand scheme (or any). You may want to try some form of mindfulness or resilience training.

Yeah, I have none of the above. I'm pretty much the pin-up boy for a walking heart attack 🙂
 
Nah mate, Bozo has left the club in our own hands now mate. Have to stay afloat on our own. Means Cartwright / S Fulton have to really step up like they have 😉
Yes this will be the most interesting aspect of 2018 for mine. How do Tuberculosis and Hoss go without Bozo overseeing the joint ?? With half the family still working there, I suspect Bozo will still have some pull and will be tugging on the puppet strings now and then. I also wonder how much of a recruitment magnet he was - seems the lure of the Immortal was irresistible to some. Do we get Pearce if Bozo was still there for arguments sake ??
 
Yes this will be the most interesting aspect of 2018 for mine. How do Tuberculosis and Hoss go without Bozo overseeing the joint ?? With half the family still working there, I suspect Bozo will still have some pull and will be tugging on the puppet strings now and then. I also wonder how much of a recruitment magnet he was - seems the lure of the Immortal was irresistible to some. Do we get Pearce if Bozo was still there for arguments sake ??

I think we do to be honest. Sitting down to lunch with Johnny boy while he fumbles over club sandwich, discussing your entire future with him would be less than inspiring.

Sitting down with a proven winner, and game changer in Bozo would be vastly different.
 
We can stare at the same glass 1000 times mate but most times I'll see it half full and in this case you see it half empty.

Cartwright would of been partially responsible for a number of signings with his connections in league. I don't think Bozo would have been the only one out there doing the signing. His son is still with us and his connections would be through Bozo also.

There's a lot of pros about our recruitment and I'm happy to trust them again based on what they achieved last year.

It was all doom and gloom last off season too and people were stressing about Green coming and what he would do away from Melbourne. People stressing about Kelly being a junior. Siro. Lane. Uate.

Baz, Gorman, Cartwright, Fulton - there's more on the line for those blokes than us debating as arm chair critics what we think of this player and that player. I'll trust them and support whoever they select in the 30.

Mate, I don't think this is about half full versus half empty, or who supports the team more (trust me, I have a smaller dick than most being 5 foot 4, so I'll never win a measuring contest).

That's not the debate mate - we all support and love the team.

It's about right people, with the right mindset, with the right values for their organization, in the right roles.

Cartwright wants to progress, yeah? He's openly trying to attain full time positions elsewhere. He's positioning himself with representative squads, SOO heading coaching roles, so on and so forth. THAT is what he's dedicating his time to. Not seeking out a little smoky in Kathrine W.A. who could potentially be the next big thing. His time is spent about moving away from The Sea Eagles.

Trust me, Willie Peters had a very positive affect on then group (and sponsors / members). To have Cartwright's ring in, Ferris make him feel the way he did to the point there was fisticuffs, is telling.

We need to have dedication to the role. Someone who feels inspired and lucky to be doing that. Cartwright wants out (just like Green who was released for wanting out). The same should apply here in my humble opinion.
 
I have never known someone that's applying for a promotion deliberately perform poorly. whilst i don't know if he's the man for the job i highly doubt he's intentionally performing bad. Personally i think Trent is the one that would be pulling the strings and Cartwright would be going to recruitment meetings and attempting to relay the message from the coach
 
We have some great new up and comers in Tanginoa, Gosie, Sipley, Siro, Kelly, Lane.

I wouldn't use the word great with any of these players maybe in the future yes but not now.

Tanginoa debut in 2013 so far has played 17 first grade games

Gosiewski 23 and 6 first grade games

Sipley 22 and 2 first grade games

Lane 23 and 3 clubs in last 3 seasons

Kelly was ok in first season of first grade Siro is the best of the bunch.

Don't like to be harsh but if they are great god help us as a club. I see them as depth at best hope they all become great just can't say they are yet.
 
He seemed to work for us last year. Going from 13th to 6th.

- We've retained all but 3 aging players - Myles, Lawrence, Green.
- We have some great new up and comers in Tanginoa, Gosie, Sipley, Siro, Kelly, Lane.
- We have the best u20's team in the comp and have retained all the key players from that team for the future in Anderson, Funa, Cust, Fainu, Olakau'atu, Wright.
- We have retained all our rep superstars - Kapow, Api, Jurbo, DCE, Walker, Turbo.
- We have $800k for signings.

Sorry Ryan but I just don't get the rant at all....
Jesse Martin was the U20s player that impressed me the most as a future player.
Without a bit of size he will be Jake T 2.0

Can someone tell me seriously what credentials Scott Fulton has?
 
I wouldn't use the word great with any of these players maybe in the future yes but not now.

Tanginoa debut in 2013 so far has played 17 first grade games

Gosiewski 23 and 6 first grade games

Sipley 22 and 2 first grade games

Lane 23 and 3 clubs in last 3 seasons

Kelly was ok in first season of first grade Siro is the best of the bunch.

Don't like to be harsh but if they are great god help us as a club. I see them as depth at best hope they all become great just can't say they are yet.
Depth at best? Maybe lane but the others were brought on as potential guns.
 

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