OK - Help this Salary Cap issue

[maxta]

So we got the money....what close to a million extra in 2017 with Snake, Matai goneski's and this is money to spend per season??.
Also the myles money whatever that was.
The cap apparently gone up ??
This fine of $330,000 a season seems a drop in the ocean when these factors come in.
How is it making sense that players need to leave on top of no cash for new signings or is this media crap as per usual....I have more experience on the footy and even odd info on signings, but this salary cap is NOT my strength....anyone explain this in simple terms aside of how dumb the management is ??

 

[Chip and Chase]

We don't get the Snake and Skivvi money magically back in our salary cap. They were contracted for 2017 and we had to pay them. They were never contracted for this year so they were never factored into the salary cap for this year, so it's not like that $$$$$$ just becomes available to spend because their contracts expired. The only possible way we could have got value from them is if the NRL had allowed us to medically retire them thus taking their value off of last years salary cap - allowing us to front load some of this years contracts and free up cap space for 2018.

As for Mr Plod - we are still paying the last year of his contract - so there is no free money there.

Yes the cap has gone up, but so have player wages. Also you will find that players like DCE have ratchet clauses in their contracts that tie their salary into the cap as a %age. As the cap increases so does their wage.

 

[EagleFlys]

So we got the money....what close to a million extra in 2017 with Snake, Matai goneski's and this is money to spend per season??.
Also the myles money whatever that was.
The cap apparently gone up ??
This fine of $330,000 a season seems a drop in the ocean when these factors come in.
How is it making sense that players need to leave on top of no cash for new signings or is this media crap as per usual....I have more experience on the footy and even odd info on signings, but this salary cap is NOT my strength....anyone explain this in simple terms aside of how dumb the management is ??

I will try.

It is not about the amount a players contract is worth in its entirety. Its about the cashflow per player.
You cannot assume that a player signing for 400K for 4 years receives an even cashflow over those annual periods

So we think its 400, 400, 400, 400, but it easily could be 200, 300, 500, 600, or 600,300,500,200 etc.

Therefore salary cap spent is either more or less than the contract annualised amount in any given year (front ended or back ended).

Referring to Snake and Matai, the club probably used the knowledge of the players imminent retirements to back end other deals.
The problem is, we mushrooms find out we signed player X on 1m pa. But we mushrooms need to know the players "cashflow" to find out the salary cap impact for any given year of those 4 years.

I think that explains it, and I hope its logical.

 

[HappilyManly]

Upgrades and backended contracts....

Plus

Fiz, Myles etc TPAs treated as Cap monies by the NRL due to Manly including a 'best endeavours' clause in player contracts (right to appeal decision is due out 24 June)

Plus

Both Marty and Walks arrived a year early, so their 600k+ contracts needed to be partially included for 2016, thus forcing long termers to be backended

 

[The Who]

So this season we exchanged Snake and Matai for Thompson and Hodkinson?
Yep. That sounds fair.

 

[Woodsie]

I will try.

It is not about the amount a players contract is worth in its entirety. Its about the cashflow per player.
You cannot assume that a player signing for 400K for 4 years receives an even cashflow over those annual periods

So we think its 400, 400, 400, 400, but it easily could be 200, 300, 500, 600, or 600,300,500,200 etc.

Therefore salary cap spent is either more or less than the contract annualised amount in any given year (front ended or back ended).

Referring to Snake and Matai, the club probably used the knowledge of the players imminent retirements to back end other deals.
The problem is, we mushrooms find out we signed player X on 1m pa. But we mushrooms need to know the players "cashflow" to find out the salary cap impact for any given year of those 4 years.

I think that explains it, and I hope its logical.

...and DCE for example may be on say ... $1.2 mil .... but .... $100k maybe a TPA and then there are marque and loyalty allowances plus neatness and participation awards .... so it may end up that only say $900k of his contract is against the cap ....

Then of course you have to factor in Toddy Macfukkface GreenTurd's interpretation of things ...

 

[HappilyManly]

So this season we exchanged Snake and Matai for Thompson and Hodkinson?
Yep. That sounds fair.

At least the latter actually played and attended training

 

[Chip and Chase]

So this season we exchanged Snake and Matai for Thompson and Hodkinson?
Yep. That sounds fair.

Upgrading the Turbos would have taken a fair chunk of it I suspect

 

[The Who]

At least the latter actually played and attended training

Yep. The club has never explained their absence from everything in 2017. Nor has it ever satisfactorily explained why it is paying Mr Plod's third year when he retired in year two when playing for another club.

 

[Peter C]

Upgrading the Turbos would have taken a fair chunk of it I suspect

Let's not forget that a large part of the contracts of Sirronen, Uate, and Perrett were still being paid by their former clubs, so we eventually had to end up paying full freight for them.

 

[Peter C]

Yep. The club has never explained their absence from everything in 2017. Nor has it ever satisfactorily explained why it is paying Mr Plod's third year when he retired in year two when playing for another club.

I imagine that they came to an agreement with Plod, we were still paying a large chunk of his contract when he was playing for Melbourne, but they didn't want him for this year, he could've been on around $500,000 for his final year, so rather than having him back with us and playing like $hit again, they probably cut there loses and paid him out in order not to see him again, perhaps fifty percent of his contract as he didn't want to come back to Sydney.
Unfortunately the original contract still counts for the salary cap

 

[40 years an eagle]

3M for TT JT and DCE
850k for Kapow
1.2M for Dylan and Thommo
6 players at the 100k minimum
Api and Sirro upgrade contracts sitting on Greenturd's desk: guess 800k

Leaves about 2.8.M for the other 16 players for our 30, about 175k per. Maybe 7 of those will need to be new signings.

Factoring in the anomalies of uneven yearly pay contracts will possibly even out eachother after Kapow's big last year backending is paid, maybe.

These are all quantum guesses based on the unconfirmed ramblings of us on here but it will not be MILES out.
For 2019+ we will be spending something like 5,8M of our 9M adjusted cap on our top 8 players, leaving something like 3.2M plus change to pay 22 other guys.

It doesn't look too pretty to me.

 

[Bearfax]

And next year if Manly wants to keep its young players they are going to have to upgrade Tom Wright, Anderson, Funa, Fainu, maybe Cust and possibly one or two forwards in the lower grades. Manly needs that extra $350,000 for next year

 

[EagleFlys]

3M for TT JT and DCE
850k for Kapow
1.2M for Dylan and Thommo
6 players at the 100k minimum
Api and Sirro upgrade contracts sitting on Greenturd's desk: guess 800k

Leaves about 2.8.M for the other 16 players for our 30, about 175k per. Maybe 7 of those will need to be new signings.

Factoring in the anomalies of uneven yearly pay contracts will possibly even out eachother after Kapow's big last year backending is paid, maybe.

These are all quantum guesses based on the unconfirmed ramblings of us on here but it will not be MILES out.
For 2019+ we will be spending something like 5,8M of our 9M adjusted cap on our top 8 players, leaving something like 3.2M plus change to pay 22 other guys.

It doesn't look too pretty to me.

Api and Sirro are probably a bit light, Id say 500 for Api and 400 for Siro - arse figures of course.

But the point is we don't know the cashflow, we don't know who is back ended or who is front loaded or who is middle loaded with a small kicker, and that's the game the clubs play.

Sadly we can presume/assume and argue to the cows come home on why we can only replace Matai and Snake with Hodko and Croker and kids, but we don't know the cashflow (and never will).

 

[Andrew..]

Api and Sirro are probably a bit light, Id say 500 for Api and 400 for Siro - arse figures of course.

But the point is we don't know the cashflow, we don't know who is back ended or who is front loaded or who is middle loaded with a small kicker, and that's the game the clubs play.

Sadly we can presume/assume and argue to the cows come home on why we can only replace Matai and Snake with Hodko and Croker and kids, but we don't know the cashflow (and never will).

As much as I like Siro I hope we aren't paying him $400,000 next year because he's missed more games than he's played in the last 2 years. Good player (so I'm not knocking him) I'm just talking value for money.

 

[EagleFlys]

As much as I like Siro I hope we aren't paying him $400,000 next year because he's missed more games than he's played in the last 2 years. Good player (so I'm not knocking him) I'm just talking value for money.

He might be 300 and Api 600 or 800 may cover both. Cashflow is king.

 

[hozza]

At least the latter actually played and attended training

How many premierships has Thompson and Hodkinson won for us?

Matai and Stewart did train and play for many years in one of the most successful Eras in our history. Just in case you’ve forgotten.

 

[Simonmyers11]

Daley should be on 1 million not 1.2 or 1.3 and tom should be on around 750k not 950k. Cap situation would look a lot better.

 

[lurker]

How many premierships has Thompson and Hodkinson won for us?

Matai and Stewart did train and play for many years in one of the most successful Eras in our history. Just in case you’ve forgotten.

Does that mean in my job I’m working really well for a few years and I’m paid well so then I can just stop working and expect to keep being paid because I previously did a good job? I’m sure my work would be thrilled with that. I’ve never seen a situation at any other club where players do nothing. No community work or rehab, mentoring young players or anything so I’m not sure how you can defend it

 

[hozza]

Does that mean in my job I’m working really well for a few years and I’m paid well so then I can just stop working and expect to keep being paid because I previously did a good job? I’m sure my work would be thrilled with that. I’ve never seen a situation at any other club where players do nothing. No community work or rehab, mentoring young players or anything so I’m not sure how you can defend it

Decade of sustained success earns you a bit leeway in my eyes mate. And don’t compare a footballers lives to the lives of everyday people. Different on every level. So making comparisons to your job or mine for that matter is ridiculous.