Now guys i don't want to start a **** fight but here is a question i think you should all consider before killing yourselves over losing Burns. Before we get started i just want to say Burns is a very good defender and i love his tenacity - he would make a solid impact Hooker. Can anyone in here name at least 5 tries (FIVE) that you can remember Travis Burns setting up with either skillful, select passing or pinpoint kicking? Unless i have a very poor memory i cannot remember even ONE try that he has set up. I know that sounds ridiculous but most of the tries that he has been involved in has usually occurred from some individual brilliance from players like Bell, Menzies, Watmough, Stewart or Matai. I am not sure if Lyon is the answer at 5/8th, but i am positive we wont win a comp with an Orford/Burns combo. Look at the Dragons semi last year - Orford copped all the flack but Burns was no where to be seen.