Sack the Spoon

[Disco]

I have felt DCE gets over criticised at times, but tonight his poor decisions really changed the game
Most are claiming the 40/20 as a turning point and rightfully so as a killer in that 2nd half.
But I go back to 1 minute out from half time....Manly up 16 - 0 and attacking the Newcastle try line
Just after Haumole had stampeded 3 players for a try from 10m out....DCE had the opportunity with a 1 on 1 for Haumole from 5m out but elected a low percentage cross field kick to Faulolo which went dead on the full.
I can't guarantee a try , but we were running through them with ease and this is big Haumole 5m out with 1 defender in his way ??
This imo was a Massive start of the rot and gave that "we may regret this moment " cloud floating overhead the remainder of the game till that painful ending.
On Seibold, he deserves to be roasted along with the players, they came out soft and got ambushed that second half and playing sideways was what Newcastle would have preyed for....the lack of direct the last 40 was terrible and this does come back to gameplan, with Seibold and DCE the keys in this valuable area of the game management

That kick was a ridiculous low percentage play

 

[Brookie1973]

That kick was a ridiculous low percentage play

Yeah, but if it came off, Billy might have picked him for game 2.

 

[Highflier]

The real point is - that the coach should have selected a specialist back in the 17. This injury problem has occurred in the past with the same losing result. Just far too risky these days to go in with 17 forwards. Just poor selection policy by the coach.

In hindsight having a back on the bench would have been handy in this game ,however thats a general team selection question.
My question is did he tell the players at 1/2 time to just get the ball to the "weapons" without doing the hard yards first and that DCE just fire off trick shots at will so you can showcase your skill set for Billy ? Rather than say "gee guys they have no fowards so lets just keep playing it up the middle and keep them from getting the ball out to our flanks where we have forwards playing in the centers and exploit thier middles weakness then points will surely come " ? Like I would love to know if that oblivious fact and the football solution to it was discussed ?I feel we completely thru that game away ,and I still cant believe that .If it was DCEs idea to go thru his trick shot repertoire and he just ignored Seibold's instructions or he did that under Siebolds orders ?
Anywas hard to watch and again I have to go and buy a new TV and my wife wants me committed !!

 

[Chuck]

Under siebold I think we have only come from behind once - in that semi against the dogs last year and we have lost many many games after being up between 16 and 20 nil.

Yep, last year we blew countless 14+ point leads against average opposition. It's our specialty.

 

[StuBoot]

My mistake. He obviously told DCE to kick on the third tackle.

True, that was on DCE but... why then was the end of every set of six a mostly uncontested bomb?
By both kickers?
No mixing it up, no grubber kicks ( that worked so well the week before).
It looked just like the Parra game weeks before, mindless bombs to their winger, this week Marzhew (v Parra it was JAC).
I get it, dictate who and where they start their set but not every f$&king time surely!
Once the Knights and Ponga woke up, they shifted quickly to the other side and got a roll on....yet we kept doing the same thing.
Schiller had a shocker in the first half but we didn't go there in there in the second half.
Why?
Because it looked like the game plan was contain where Marzhew and Ponga get the ball....regardless.
Maybe that's why DCE wanted out, Siebs is too structured and formulaic and he'd had enough.

 

[Highflier]

Yep, last year we blew countless 14+ point leads against average opposition. It's our specialty.

and that is why watching Manly makes me a nutter,and probably bad for my health as i can't comprehend us giving up big leads and getting beaten in the last minute or so ,like last night ,like against the Cowboys a few years ago ,multiple times against the Titans that has happened as well.
so frustrating !!

 

[Rocky]

True, that was on DCE but... why then was the end of every set of six a mostly uncontested bomb?
By both kickers?
No mixing it up, no grubber kicks ( that worked so well the week before).
It looked just like the Parra game weeks before, mindless bombs to their winger, this week Marzhew (v Parra it was JAC).
I get it, dictate who and where they start their set but not every f$&king time surely!
Once the Knights and Ponga woke up, they shifted quickly to the other side and got a roll on....yet we kept doing the same thing.
Schiller had a shocker in the first half but we didn't go there in there in the second half.
Why?
Because it looked like the game plan was contain where Marzhew and Ponga get the ball....regardless.
Maybe that's why DCE wanted out, Siebs is too structured and formulaic and he'd had enough.

I'm definitely not letting off Seibold - he obviously has a part to play in it all. Not directed at you but it does make the me laugh when there are some on here that blame him for literally everything.

Clearly the team didn't come out with the same energy required to finish off the Knights which is extremely disappointing. Did the coach tell them to back off at half time, everything will be ok? I'm guessing not. But if they have tuned him out, then equally the coach's job isn't tenable.

I don't think that's the case at this moment, which is why I'm comfortable to also point the finger at guys like DCE. He's the captain, million dollar player, and our halfback and he should be able to steer the ship home from 16-0. Whatever Seibold did or didn't say, DCE should be able to manage that job regardless. And he didn't.

 

[BOZO]

Maybe that's why DCE wanted out, Siebs is too structured and formulaic and he'd had enough.

What happened to Seibolds structured and formulaic game plan when we capitulated against the Eels when DCE was on SOO duty ?

 

[double hoops]

I have felt DCE gets over criticised at times, but tonight his poor decisions really changed the game
Most are claiming the 40/20 as a turning point and rightfully so as a killer in that 2nd half.
But I go back to 1 minute out from half time....Manly up 16 - 0 and attacking the Newcastle try line
Just after Haumole had stampeded 3 players for a try from 10m out....DCE had the opportunity with a 1 on 1 for Haumole from 5m out but elected a low percentage cross field kick to Faulolo which went dead on the full.
I can't guarantee a try , but we were running through them with ease and this is big Haumole 5m out with 1 defender in his way ??
This imo was a Massive start of the rot and gave that "we may regret this moment " cloud floating overhead the remainder of the game till that painful ending.
On Seibold, he deserves to be roasted along with the players, they came out soft and got ambushed that second half and playing sideways was what Newcastle would have preyed for....the lack of direct the last 40 was terrible and this does come back to gameplan, with Seibold and DCE the keys in this valuable area of the game management

Yeah sadly much of the first have was that same type of low percentage crud from the Turtle he just robbed of us grinding them into submission.

I'm not convinced it wasn't deliberate.

That spiral kick down the short side. That was fishy. It didn't look like a mis hit to me. It was out by a long way.

Instead of managing that game, playing straight, he showboated, all the low percentage stuff, the hit and hope as if we were playing the best defensive team in the comp and had little chance.

The other thing that stood out in that game, is how poor our support play was. Lazy. Lazy. Lazy.

Time to look at our leaders (Jake and Turtle) Are they setting the tough standards. Jake was just as bad, in that game in different ways. That game was there for the taking up the middle. Yet Jake had zero in attack.

Are they both team leaders who at club level have only ever known how to lose, and take short cuts, when things get hard? This team is absolutely not improved in showing up against the rubbish teams! The looking to do the bare minimum starts with our on field leaders.

And then a coach commenting they've played 5 games in 25 days!

Seibs until now you've been trying to play happy little vegemites, but it's not working. No more softly softly approach with this group of brain-dead, frantic on the football field lazy slackers. Or you will be off too.

 

[maxta]

Yeah sadly much of the first have was that same type of low percentage crud from the Turtle he just robbed of us grinding them into submission.

I'm not convinced it wasn't deliberate.

That spiral kick down the short side. It didn't look like a mis hit to me.

Instead of managing that game, playing straight, he showboated, all the low percentage stuff, the hit and hope as if we were playing the best defensive team in the comp.

The other thing that stood out in that game, is how poor our support play was.

This looked everything but a team in which the leaders (looking right at Jake and Turtle) are setting the tough standards. And the players are on board. And Jake was just as bad in different ways. That game was there for the taking in the middle. Jake had zero in attack.

Are they both team leaders who at club level have only ever known how to lose, and take short cuts, team is absolutely not improved in showing up against the rubbish teams. The looking to do the bare minimum starts with our on field leaders..

And then a coach commenting they've played 5 games in 25 days!

Seibs no more softly softly approach with this group of brain-dead, frantic on the football field lazy slackers. Or you will be off too.

Great summary mate
All true and All Spot on !!

 

[Thewestisbest]

There is an ex-Manly bloke looking for a way back from the ole dart…

I'd rather we go for Arthur than continue plodding along with the Spoon and his zero accountability approach. But I'd be happy with the Emu Plains A grade coach if it meant getting rid of the historical failure that is Tony Spoonbold. At least our new coach would know what it feels like to win something.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Please tell me he didn’t say he was happy with the fight. FMD. And yes, his face says it all.

He said we showed a lot of spirit in losing to a bottom of the table side without any middles.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Please tell me he didn’t say he was happy with the fight. FMD. And yes, his face says it all.

Oh yeah, he also mentioned we need a rest again after playing 5 games in 25 days.

At least he's consistent.

 

[Thewestisbest]

Please tell me he didn’t say he was happy with the fight. FMD. And yes, his face says it all.

Damn. He also pointed out that Newcastle are a really consistent side who have made finals 4 out of the last 5 years.

 

[Brookie1973]

Damn. He also pointed out that Newcastle are a really consistent side who have made finals 4 out of the last 5 years.

Unbelievable

 

[Thewestisbest]

Unbelievable

Welcome to Spoon World starring Big Tony Spoonbold.

The story of a fraudulent NRL coach who bewitched a once proud footy club, mesmerising a core group of fans and a new age owner seemingly intent on delivering a first wooden spoon.

 

[Phobia]

I seriously wonder if you people actually believe that Seibold tells his players what he tells us in the post-match press conference... It's so obviously a mechanism purely to take blame off the players. That's the point of it, and nothing more, especially in the new media age where no one cares what you say in a presser, unless you say something incredibly stupid. See AOB.

I sometimes wonder if some of the anti-Seibold people blame the weather on him. And if they also believe theres an infinite food source in Woolworths. Some of the comments here are absolutely moronic. Acting like he tells them to lose the game... Funnily enough, the same problems we've had since Foran 1.0 left, are the same problems we have now. No game management. No culling of other teams unless they hand it to us on a platter. A seeming ability to contend but it falls apart when scrutinised. There's two constants since 2015... But most of these critics don't seem to have object permanence, so I don't blame them. If they don't see Penn or DCE all the time, that must mean they don't exist anymore.

Like if I showed them a picture of a chubby, ugly rat that makes an annoying garbled high pitched sound, before and after every Manly loss, they would start blaming the rat for every loss. They look at the propaganda read out by dribblers like James Hooper and take it at face value. If you see something on TV, it must be true.

They also act like Bellamy is on the open market. He is never leaving the Storm. They act like Bennett is up for grabs. He hates Manly, and even if he wanted to, Des has won a comp more recently than him. Ivan Cleary can't win another comp without the first-class pathways players he once bad. He was sacked at Penrith the first time around.

The new coaches are no guarantee either. We went though the "NEW ERA COACH WILL BRING US BACK" when we sacked Tooves, and installed Twent. How'd that go?

Imagine if we did that today. Sacked Seibold, in the middle of a long-term club rebuild, with no terrible record, and brought in AOB. He comes out, and says more honest things in press conferences, like you people seemingly want, directly calling you out, and saying you're too stupid to understand rugby league. Would you prefer that?

 

[madmax]

How about getting Fatty in as coach? Guarantee he’s a better motivator!! SOO success with a bunch of so called ‘Neville’s’!! I dunno….i’ve stayed on the Siebold bandwagon but my patience is wearing thin. Unsure why he continues with Waddell, why he doesn’t give MCK a chance. Couldn’t be any worse! I cannot believe how we lost that game after the start we had. It’s like the battery died! If not for Koula, Ola, TT2, Sips & Garrick last night we’d have been fu<ked big time!

 

[Rocky]

Welcome to Spoon World starring Big Tony Spoonbold.

The story of a fraudulent NRL coach who bewitched a once proud footy club, mesmerising a core group of fans and a new age owner seemingly intent on delivering a first wooden spoon.

That's arguably your best work.

 

[Thewestisbest]

I seriously wonder if you people actually believe that Seibold tells his players what he tells us in the post-match press conference... It's so obviously a mechanism purely to take blame off the players. That's the point of it, and nothing more, especially in the new media age where no one cares what you say in a presser, unless you say something incredibly stupid. See AOB.

I sometimes wonder if some of the anti-Seibold people blame the weather on him. And if they also believe theres an infinite food source in Woolworths. Some of the comments here are absolutely moronic. Acting like he tells them to lose the game... Funnily enough, the same problems we've had since Foran 1.0 left, are the same problems we have now. No game management. No culling of other teams unless they hand it to us on a platter. A seeming ability to contend but it falls apart when scrutinised. There's two constants since 2015... But most of these critics don't seem to have object permanence, so I don't blame them. If they don't see Penn or DCE all the time, that must mean they don't exist anymore.

Like if I showed them a picture of a chubby, ugly rat that makes an annoying garbled high pitched sound, before and after every Manly loss, they would start blaming the rat for every loss. They look at the propaganda read out by dribblers like James Hooper and take it at face value. If you see something on TV, it must be true.

They also act like Bellamy is on the open market. He is never leaving the Storm. They act like Bennett is up for grabs. He hates Manly, and even if he wanted to, Des has won a comp more recently than him. Ivan Cleary can't win another comp without the first-class pathways players he once bad. He was sacked at Penrith the first time around.

The new coaches are no guarantee either. We went though the "NEW ERA COACH WILL BRING US BACK" when we sacked Tooves, and installed Twent. How'd that go?

Imagine if we did that today. Sacked Seibold, in the middle of a long-term club rebuild, with no terrible record, and brought in AOB. He comes out, and says more honest things in press conferences, like you people seemingly want, directly calling you out, and saying you're too stupid to understand rugby league. Would you prefer that?

Oh Geez, here we go again.

I blame Seibold for the following. There's more but this will do for now.

1 For picking the same deadbeat players week in week out
2 For sticking to a shiit game plan that revolves around edge attackwith weapons
3 For not signing a backrower in the off season
4 For signing too many old forwards
5 For bringing Matt Lodge back despite being 10kg overweight
6 For Constantly making excuses about scheduling
7 For failing to generate attack from dummy half after 2.5 years
8 For consistently getting the bench wrong
9 For consistently praising poor performances
10 For failing to increase our line speed in defence
11 For not recognising the need for speed and mobility in the middle third
12 For failing to strip the captaincy off DCE
13 For consistently being inconsistent even last year