Tom Trbojevic was a Legend

[globaleagle]

 

[Brocky]

god turbo was very ordinary last night, his defense is awful sometimes

 

[The Wheel]

Unfortunately a shadow of his former self

 

[Wombat64]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

 

[Eagle 1]

god turbo was very ordinary last night, his defense is awful sometimes

Although, he's improving with the more games that he plays. A few years ago he was virtually unstoppable when attacking of those sweeping attacking plays. Still a force in providing try assists tho.

 

[CoreyWaddellSuperFan]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

An ok player?

Oh ffs

 

[Brookie1973]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

Agree, given the injuries and lack of premiership success he doesn’t qualify for legend status, but I still maintain that 2021 season was the greatest individual season I have seen from any one player in my 55+ years watching the game. He was on another planet. No one has dominated to that level before or since.

 

[Pete W]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

He will be remembered as a great NRL player who was never permitted to reach his true potential, but not one of the club's (or game's) legends

 

[Scorpio]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

Imagine a parallel universe where Brett Stewart was born 10 years later, still scores 150+ tries, has the same number of NSW and Australia appearances but like Tom T, doesn't win a premiership.

Would he still be a club legend?

 

[LeonardCohen]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

I think it's a bit of both; I can't argue with the facts and they are no premierships and a career littered with injuries (unfortunately, durability is part of the package that makes a champion). In saying that, I don't think he just looked good because he was in a crap team and just had one good year. He has a special football brain that just hasn't had the body to help it along. He reads the game as good as any fullback (or player for that matter) that I have ever seen. When he was fit and healthy, his ability to read where the opposition weaknesses were, was incredible. His support play, ability to snatch a bomb out of thin air, and pop up where required, were elite. What he did in SOO at centre that night in Perth was one of the greatest individual performances by a player in the history of the game.

His ceiling was so high, he could have been an immortal. He was scoring 4 and 5 tries a game in NYC and came through as the next big thing. I was so exciting for his career and quite frankly, am shattered for him and the Manly community that we've been robbed of such a special talent. It's heartbreaking.

 

[Phobia]

I ask this as a hypothetical question and with no disrespect at all intended to Turbo BUT is he or was he ever really a legend? Or more was he a good player that stood out in a shxt era for Manly and with a shxt team around him? He hasn't won a premiership, he has always been injured and his career achievements don't compare to past players that are now considered legends of the club. I think he'll be remembered for one great season and a career defined with what could have been rather than what was. In my opinion he has been an OK player but not a legend, we've got really poor value out of him and his cost vs his output has hamstrung the club for years.

I saw a statistical website that combined stats for players from 1999 onwards, using a value model that's been applied consistently across many sports.

It basically showed how much influence a player had on winning, through various statistical means, and therefore was a very good statistical metric for which players in the NRL era were the greatest, across multiple seasons.

Three players were a tier above all of the rest. Those players were Andrew Johns, Darren Lockyer, and Tom Trbojevic.

His peaks are so ridiculously high, that they even out the lower parts. Unlike many, I consider his run of form from vs Newcastle last year, to at Bulldogs, to be nearly on par with his 2021 form. It showed to me that he still has it in him, as did his Round 1 performance this year.

I don't think he's regressed physically this year. Like most years, he simply lacks the confidence to go the extra mile. This is obviously because of his lack of faith in his body, but I think it also has to do with DCE being so incredibly erratic this year.

If he gets injured, it leaves DCE as our number one, and primary playmaker... Again. I don't think he wants that to occur, particularly this year.

Whenever Turbo did well, he was receiving at least some quality ball... Which he has lacked since Round 2 of this year. A similar problem is affecting Brooks I feel. DCE and Jake are simply not engaging the line, and hence Brooks and Turbo are moving laterally... Not their strengths.

I don't think this is the end for Turbo. He'll be back. He just needs to have some faith that his other spine players won't do stupid things... Which he does not have. I think Fogarty will change this.

E.g. last night, towards the end, he was nearly playing half. DCE was absolutely absent on their goaline, and Turbo was instead running at first receiver. That completely nullifies his strengths.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

Agree, given the injuries and lack of premiership success he doesn’t qualify for legend status, but I still maintain that 2021 season was the greatest individual season I have seen from any one player in my 55+ years watching the game. He was on another planet. No one has dominated to that level before or since.

The Hayne Plane? (Jarryd, not Shane.)

 

[Brookie1973]

The Hayne Plane? (Jarryd, not Shane.)

Yeah, probably closest, but I’ll stick with turbo 2021

 

[Wombat64]

I think it's a bit of both; I can't argue with the facts and they are no premierships and a career littered with injuries (unfortunately, durability is part of the package that makes a champion). In saying that, I don't think he just looked good because he was in a crap team and just had one good year. He has a special football brain that just hasn't had the body to help it along. He reads the game as good as any fullback (or player for that matter) that I have ever seen. When he was fit and healthy, his ability to read where the opposition weaknesses were, was incredible. His support play, ability to snatch a bomb out of thin air, and pop up where required, were elite. What he did in SOO at centre that night in Perth was one of the greatest individual performances by a player in the history of the game.

His ceiling was so high, he could have been an immortal. He was scoring 4 and 5 tries a game in NYC and came through as the next big thing. I was so exciting for his career and quite frankly, am shattered for him and the Manly community that we've been robbed of such a special talent. It's heartbreaking.

Yeah, I can't argue with any of that. Don't get me wrong, I've loved watching him play. I would have loved to see what he could have been if he was able to even stay semi fit and healthy over a long career. It is such a huge shame his body let him down. My comment was not to put him down, it was more related to the title of the thread "Turbo was a legend" and despite all his talent and him being the heart of the club over a long time I don't think his performance qualify him as a legend of the club. Great player, great bloke, great clubman ..... most definitely. I don't know, maybe all of that does make him a legend? Who knows, he might finally get some luck in the back end of his career and win us a comp.

 

[IQofalimabean]

The Hayne Plane? (Jarryd, not Shane.)

Hayne got the eels to a grandfinal but turbo helped nsw win and won player of the series in 2021.