Who abducted the team from the 1st half ??

[maxta]

Agree, it’s not losing that burns it’s the way they keep throwing games. Seriously how many people could feel a 2nd half capitulation coming before they even ran back on the field. We get run down so often it’s beyond predictable. It’s almost a surprise when we don’t. The players seem unaffected and the coach forgiving. Not a great time to rebuild but something got to change

I can't watch these post match press conferences....imagine Bellamy if the shocking Newcastle minus ANY front rowers ran over Storm like that ...would be frothing like a rabid dog and rightfully so.
If Seibold is ANYTHING like his press conference in the dressing shed, no wonder the players show no backbone and desperation when the going gets tough, folding like a cheap deck chair.....it's like they are still given a smile and handed the "participation" award like the kid who runs 112th at the school carnival.
Tooves defended his team when they deserved it from shocking calls and "investigations", but he never held back about lack of effort and poor performances...it's called accountability and anyone who chases success in any field in this world, requires this as a non negotiable to become the Best they can be...

 

[Brookie1973]

I can't watch these post match press conferences....imagine Bellamy if the shocking Newcastle minus ANY front rowers ran over Storm like that ...would be frothing like a rabid dog and rightfully so.
If Seibold is ANYTHING like his press conference in the dressing shed, no wonder the players show no backbone and desperation when the going gets tough, folding like a cheap deck chair.....it's like they are still given a smile and handed the "participation" award like the kid who runs 112th at the school carnival.
Tooves defended his team when they deserved it from shocking calls and "investigations", but he never held back about lack of effort and poor performances...it's called accountability and anyone who chases success in any field in this world, requires this as a non negotiable to become the Best they can be...

Check out Payten giving the Cows a spray at halftime against the storm. Unfortunately, I just don’t think Seibs has a spray in him. To give players a rocket would be an indictment of his “mr positive” coaching philosophy ie an admission of failure. That’s why all losses come with 1. At least one excuse and 2. Reference to positives, real or imagined.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Check out Payten giving the Cows a spray at halftime against the storm.

How did that work out for him!
and Flano is another noted tough guy coach, but they just got 50 put on them!!

 

[Brookie1973]

How did that work out for him!
and Flano is another noted tough guy coach, but they just got 50 put on them!!

Wow, 2 whole examples. I concede. A spray from the coach never works. Best stick to excuses + positives. That seems to work.

 

[maxta]

Check out Payten giving the Cows a spray at halftime against the storm. Unfortunately, I just don’t think Seibs has a spray in him. To give players a rocket would be an indictment of his “mr positive” coaching philosophy ie an admission of failure. That’s why all losses come with 1. At least one excuse and 2. Reference to positives, real or imagined.

Yeh the "free throw at the stumps"
Because we were missing 3 players, meanwhile the opposition is missing 7
Or
"I'm really proud of the boys efforts today"
After giving up a 38 point lead
Or
"We were really up against it today, but pleased we hung in there"
After a slow motion performance

 

[Eagledare2dream]

Read my post on post game discussions

 

[jbb/james]

Not sure seibs is the answer but we have to identify the journey

Currently he seems to mix a bit of short term and long term

As manly coach i would think first role is to outsee the leadership group at present value, and still stay employed . He seems to have penn on his side as the results talk have hushed. Only a bionic tom was going to deliver results in the short term

I am not sure if the shedding and building coach is the same person to bring us success.
But i still see seibs as coach for a bit longer . His moneyball approach might work if had some money
Not going to judge him until i see Fogarty run the show for a bit. Its been the same ****show regardless of coaches

I dont give a **** about-press conferences ( never watch them) or media bull****, and to be honest neither should any hard arsed footy fan. Its all gush and politics. Being a coach would suck.

 

[Rafferty]

I think what happened at half time is the players got booed off the field and the coach said see the blonde guy out there at centre, he didn't start the game at centre ...

And our coach, one can only imagine, but he probably handed out the accolades and instilled the hard core attitude we showed up with for the second half, well done, handled like a true professional.

 

[Eagle 1]

Just maybe forget about Lodge, would of been a better decision altogether.

Wouldn't discount Lodge altogether Frogz, he had really good stat's in the reserves last match. Give him a few more games and let's see where he's at. When he first played with us he dominated opposition forwards. You don't just lose that ability, also, the long injury lay-off didn't help his cause either.

 

[Rafferty]

Yeh the "free throw at the stumps"
Because we were missing 3 players, meanwhile the opposition is missing 7
Or
"I'm really proud of the boys efforts today"
After giving up a 38 point lead
Or
"We were really up against it today, but pleased we hung in there"
After a slow motion performance

Yes I agree, it’s as poor as piss, here’s a couple you left out…….

“I don’t care about the result”

And

“I don’t think playing at Brookie is an advantage” fancy saying that, not recognising and or acknowledging our home ground and the sanctity the fortress was and or should be.

I’m sick to death of listening to him searching for and at times making up the positives, he just doesn’t seem to have it in him to face the truth and say it as it is, comes across as extremely week to me and people wonder why Manly can’t find that hard edge to come out in the second half and finish a game off.

 

[Frogz]

Wouldn't discount Lodge altogether Frogz, he had really good stat's in the reserves last match. Give him a few more games and let's see where he's at. When he first played with us he dominated opposition forwards. You don't just lose that ability, also, the long injury lay-off didn't help his cause either.

OK...

 

[BOZO]

I remember a time we’d dominate a first half and go on to absolutely cream them in the second.

Oh how the mighty have fallen

Those were the real proud and Inspirational Manly days feathered friend
We would whip them in the first half
and put the icing in our Big Winning cake by absolutely creaming them in the second half
Oh how the Mighty have fallen indeed .
We need a new Winning Regime to Rise
and Make Manly Great again !

 

[BOZO]

How did that work out for him!
and Flano is another noted tough guy coach, but they just got 50 put on them!!

Just How much improvement would a Seibold passively submissive approach work on Paytons and Flanos players ?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Just How much improvement would a Seibold passively submissive approach work on Paytons and Flanos players ?

How would I know? I don't even know what "Seibold's passively submissive approach" is!

 

[BOZO]

How would I know? I don't even know what "Seibold's passively submissive approach" is!

We All just witnessed it again when Seibolds team passively and submissively capitulated to Obreins Knights

 

[LeonardCohen]

Seibs doesn’t need to be someone he isn’t. Ivan Cleary won four premierships and never sprayed the team (I’ve read his book). In fact, he sprayed them in 2019 and regretted it, apologised and believes it was a turning point.

If you think there’s a one size fits all approach to coaching and that Seibs just needs to be more like Bellamy, you don’t understand fundamental human nature, I.e. we all have different personalities and function best when we are being authentic and true to ourselves. If giving sprays was all it took, I could go in there at halftime and rev the team up to a victory in the second half for a fraction of what it costs to employ a head coach; I’ll do it for free!

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Yes both missed a stack of tackles

Rot starts at the head.

 

[maxta]

Seibs doesn’t need to be someone he isn’t. Ivan Cleary won four premierships and never sprayed the team (I’ve read his book). In fact, he sprayed them in 2019 and regretted it, apologised and believes it was a turning point.

If you think there’s a one size fits all approach to coaching and that Seibs just needs to be more like Bellamy, you don’t understand fundamental human nature, I.e. we all have different personalities and function best when we are being authentic and true to ourselves. If giving sprays was all it took, I could go in there at halftime and rev the team up to a victory in the second half for a fraction of what it costs to employ a head coach; I’ll do it for free!

Well Cleary is calm and Bellamy is a slobbering St Bernard....so obviously both methods can work as these are the yardstick coaches in modern times.
Thing is, they both also have a presence without saying a word where they have the players respect at such a high level, their teams will rarely show up and not put in a great 'effort" regardless of the result, which is an indicator of a great coach .... at Manly this is far from the csae along with many other NRL teams where inconsistency is the major issue.
It's not a lack of spraying a team and your right about this not being a "Must do" to get the Best out of players, but Cleary as opposed to Seibs is very different in the sense he called his players out for being off the pace, not enough aggression, falling away from game plan....where Seibs seems to be far more content and accepting after falling apart or simply, not turning up.
Just my opinion, but this can create a lack of accountability and when this Manly side is under the pump or a team is getting running them down, there seems no resilience and they cave in over the past few seasons.
Opinions on this will vary, but I feel this is a big contributer to the fact.

 

[Rafferty]

Seibs doesn’t need to be someone he isn’t. Ivan Cleary won four premierships and never sprayed the team (I’ve read his book). In fact, he sprayed them in 2019 and regretted it, apologised and believes it was a turning point.

If you think there’s a one size fits all approach to coaching and that Seibs just needs to be more like Bellamy, you don’t understand fundamental human nature, I.e. we all have different personalities and function best when we are being authentic and true to ourselves. If giving sprays was all it took, I could go in there at halftime and rev the team up to a victory in the second half for a fraction of what it costs to employ a head coach; I’ll do it for free!

It’s not about spraying the side, it’s like you pointed out with Ivan in his book, that doesn’t always work, what made the difference was his honesty and willingness to apologise, it’s a respect issue.

It don’t care if Seibs sprays the side or doesn’t, but he has to be honest, when we don’t preform, say so, it seems to me his always looking for the positives, how about telling as it, even if it’s Daly, Jake, Tom, Froggy or who ever has to hear it, even as a collective, if he wasn’t always pleased with the effort, maybe the boys would self asses a little deeper, that’s provided they have that level of respect, which given the way we play with no fear of repercussions makes me wonder. I’m not seeing a side of Seibs that makes me think the boys want to do it for him.

 

[Rafferty]

Well Cleary is calm and Bellamy is a slobbering St Bernard....so obviously both methods can work as these are the yardstick coaches in modern times.
Thing is, they both also have a presence without saying a word where they have the players respect at such a high level, their teams will rarely show up and not put in a great 'effort" regardless of the result, which is an indicator of a great coach .... at Manly this is far from the csae along with many other NRL teams where inconsistency is the major issue.
It's not a lack of spraying a team and your right about this not being a "Must do" to get the Best out of players, but Cleary as opposed to Seibs is very different in the sense he called his players out for being off the pace, not enough aggression, falling away from game plan....where Seibs seems to be far more content and accepting after falling apart or simply, not turning up.
Just my opinion, but this can create a lack of accountability and when this Manly side is under the pump or a team is getting running them down, there seems no resilience and they cave in over the past few seasons.
Opinions on this will vary, but I feel this is a big contributer to the fact.

Just commented on the same thing, in a similar way, posted it and saw your post, he just needs to be a little more honest in his assessment and not try to sugar coat everything or find excuses, we need some hard truths and it seems like no one’s willing to either take the risk or rock the boat.