2018 Clubs Blue Chip Acquisitions. Where does Manly stand?

[rifraff]

I'm colourblind too but what does the list of blue chip players lost look like... I bet we are last on that list too 🙁

 

[Ben]

You don't know that you have no idea how many tpa's we have and other clubs have you may be correct but all it is is a guess.

I'm telling you Manly don't have the TPAs that Brisbane, Roosters, Parra, Melbourne, North Qld, Sharks and Warriors have

 

[simon64]

Zorba misread the memo ,apparently we are getting a blue cheese dip acquisition.

.....and that next year we will be weak.

 

[Woodsie]

Brisbane Broncos: Jack Bird
Canberra Raiders: NONE
Canterbury Bulldogs: Kieran Foran, Aaron Woods
Cronulla Sharks: Josh Dugan, Matt Moylan
Gold Coast Titans: Brenton Lawrence
Manly Sea Eagles: NONE
Melbourne Storm: Ryan Hoffman, Sam Kasiano
Newcastle Knights: Aidan Guerra, Chris Heighnington, Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Jacob Lillyman, Kaylon Ponga, Connor Watson
New Zealand Warriors: Gerard Beale, Adam Blair, Manaia Cherrington, Tohu Harris, Peta Hiku
North Queensland Cowboys: Jordan Mclean
Parramatta Eels: Kane Evans, Mitchell Moses
Penrith Panthers: James Maloney
South Sydney Rabbits: Dane Gagai
St George Illawarra Dragons: James Graham, Ben Hunt, Jeremy Latimore
Sydney Roosters: Cooper Cronk, James Tedesco
Wests Tigers: Tuimoala Lolohea, Benji Marshall, Ben Matulino, Chris Mcqueen, Russell Packer, Josh Reynolds, Robbie Rochow

* Each club also has groups of second tier acquisitions.

And yet .... at least 8 of those brilliant clubs that have signed superstars will miss out on playing the finals, and one will in fact get the wooden spoon.

I am hoping the plan is to heavily front load some contracts so we can then backload some and do another Des.

 

[manly al]

The downside and sometimes difficult part of front loaded deals arrangements is that the front loaded stage seems to be the easy part until the problems and complications set in and are usually hard to manage once the back loaded process is required to implement . For Manly , maybe better to see how the increased cap allocation and trying to stabilize and prudently improve the present squad and promising juniors goes, before trying the previous front loaded contract saga again.

 

[Jigzkiller]

I'm telling you Manly don't have the TPAs that Brisbane, Roosters, Parra, Melbourne, North Qld, Sharks and Warriors have

Telling me something doesn't make it right (we are only speculating because none of us know for a fact) . I will say all the clubs you mention I will agree with but the Sharks I doubt that. Rather than saying that the Sharks got Moylan because of tpa's it could be as simple as he has more mates at the sharks and that swayed him. Also the panthers wanted a player swap or a transfer fee so that ruled us out straight away.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

And who said Lachlan Croker wasn’t blue chip?








For Blacktown!

 

[manly al]

Pretty conclusive now that the Panthers were only interested in releasing Moylan if they could replace him with a similar rated player plus the discontented individual player factor . Pearce is no doubt also in the discontented player category now so still every prospect that he could also be on the move soon as well .

 

[Ben]

Telling me something doesn't make it right (we are only speculating because none of us know for a fact) . I will say all the clubs you mention I will agree with but the Sharks I doubt that. Rather than saying that the Sharks got Moylan because of tpa's it could be as simple as he has more mates at the sharks and that swayed him. Also the panthers wanted a player swap or a transfer fee so that ruled us out straight away.

Apparently they still have 800k to play with after Moylan.
All I'm saying is that there are other clubs in a better position to strengthen their squads with third-party deals. Not saying we are doing or not doing our job in recruitment (imo I think we are going ok considering), but we have to find other avenues to sign players not at full freight and not get into bidding wars because we not in a position to do so.

 

[Jigzkiller]

All I'm saying is that there are other clubs in a better position to strengthen their squads with third-party deals.

Not denying that but if the sharks are 1 of those clubs than we may as well pack it in.

 

[Kevinward777]

Apparently they still have 800k to play with after Moylan.
All I'm saying is that there are other clubs in a better position to strengthen their squads with third-party deals. Not saying we are doing or not doing our job in recruitment (imo I think we are going ok considering), but we have to find other avenues to sign players not at full freight and not get into bidding wars because we not in a position to do so.

I seriously doubt the Sharks have another $800 000 to play with. Maloney was on closer to $500 000 and Moylan is on around $900 000 so the straight swap scenario is bullsh1t. Also Moylan wants to play in the halves, so unless they’ve decided to play Townsend off the bench, after extending and upgrading him last season. Or, they are going to shaft Moylan and not play him in the halves (which would piss him off no end) then Pearce ain’t going there. And if by some miracle they did have a Roosters like magical million in their cap, I think they would be chasing a forward (a very good one)

 

[Ben]

I seriously doubt the Sharks have another $800 000 to play with. Maloney was on closer to $500 000 and Moylan is on around $900 000 so the straight swap scenario is bullsh1t. Also Moylan wants to play in the halves, so unless they’ve decided to play Townsend off the bench, after extending and upgrading him last season. Or, they are going to shaft Moylan and not play him in the halves (which would piss him off no end) then Pearce ain’t going there. And if by some miracle they did have a Roosters like magical million in their cap, I think they would be chasing a forward (a very good one)

I agree and find it hard to believe they still have that cash left to play with as reported. I actually think it's a decoy to drive Pearce price up to stop us from signing anyone else on top. They probably know he won't go to Knights and wants to stay in Sydney so as it stands we are the only option. I think they are just making it hard for us.

 

[Woodsie]

The downside and sometimes difficult part of front loaded deals arrangements is that the front loaded stage seems to be the easy part until the problems and complications set in and are usually hard to manage once the back loaded process is required to implement . For Manly , maybe better to see how the increased cap allocation and trying to stabilize and prudently improve the present squad and promising juniors goes, before trying the previous front loaded contract saga again.

The maths don't change with the salary cap increase ... all clubs get it ... and player's values go up. The only real difference between clubs (other than acumen) is the TPA's.

Manly will never be able to compete with the TPA strong clubs for a top roster ... our best and only chance of doing this is to create a window where we have a $13m roster in a $10m cap. Can only be done with front/back loading.

Des and the crew that put our dream team together were brilliant and gave us 2 premierships.

And yes .... the downside is a few years in the wilderness at the end ... that is, until you can do it all again.

 

[manly al]

The maths don't change with the salary cap increase ... all clubs get it ... and player's values go up. The only real difference between clubs (other than acumen) is the TPA's.

Manly will never be able to compete with the TPA strong clubs for a top roster ... our best and only chance of doing this is to create a window where we have a $13m roster in a $10m cap. Can only be done with front/back loading.

Des and the crew that put our dream team together were brilliant and gave us 2 premierships.

And yes .... the downside is a few years in the wilderness at the end ... that is, until you can do it all again.

Not suggesting that Manly receive any direct advantage with the cap increase and when it will naturally be available to all NRL sides but just would prefer the club to organize and make the team as competitive as possible in the short term without reverting to Front loaded contract deals again.

I think historically that the 2008 premiership side had no front loaded arrangements, 2011 Manly premiers probably only Gifty, and then Chock and Gifty until 2014 [ I could be wrong here ] and it is not as if Manly were exploiting this measure on a big scale.

With things more in Manly's favour, 2013 could have been a premiership year and even in 2014 without injuries the club could have given it a good shake in the big one if they made it.

So no doubt it can give a side some improved prospects and winning chances, certainly a very interesting and intriguing practice but again just at this stage of Manly's planning and team organizing and progress, I just think it more preferable to avoid the front loaded contract option.

In any case Manly do or must have some level of TPAs operating at present cannot match some other clubs but is still capable of maybe and hopefully improving on this year's sixth position and without the front loaded contract option.

 

[Woodsie]

@manly al ... but the simple fact remains that there are only 2 ways to get a $15m team on a $10m cap ..... TPA's or front/back loading.

Teams like Manly have only the 2nd option.

 

[Spartan Eagle]

Apparently the blond chick below has an inside scoop of our blue chip signing for 2018. But her lips are sealed...

 

[manlyfan76]

Apparently the blond chick below has an inside scoop of our blue chip signing for 2018. But her lips are sealed...

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Weren't sealed last night...

 

[The Who]

Apparently the blond chick below has an inside scoop of our blue chip signing for 2018. But her lips are sealed...

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She has a pair of goalposts for legs!

 

[Spartan Eagle]

She has a pair of goalposts for legs!

Well how else are you supposed to know where to convert a try..

 

[Tragic Eagle]

I fear we have no plan and that our front office is a basket case. There must be a reason the Gorman signing has stagnated. The reality is that the cupboard is just about bare and we have Nada.