Am I alone?
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Love ya guts Woodsie!
Buck
Member
I hear what you are saying Bob. The mere mention of that collective of Manly greats gets my blood pumping. The current lot don't have the same effect. The club has a bit of a 'beige' feel about it. I love my club but the character it symbolised for many decades is a thing of the past. Many players are too preoccupied with their image & looks these days. Give me a Randall, an Eadie, an Ian Martin or a Malcolm Reilly 7 days a week.
Jerry1
First Grader
I can imagine them on the way back from a win on the team bus sitting in silence all on their phones posting **** on Instagram...
I think the important thing to note here is the game and the club isn’t the same as it was in the era of Igor, Wombat, Cliffy or even Beaver.
Things have indelibly changed, for the better, probably not, for the worse , maybe, but different, very!!
I’m still “ connected “ but it’s not an umbilical connection like it was for many years.
I appreciate Scott Penn, without him our club would be the Perth Sea Eagles ( or similar) but I don’t have to agree with what he does at times , and I don’t , but I still appreciate his efforts in keeping us going.
Like many I’m disconnected with with the game in general, the changes might suit the Gen Y or whatever they are these days but for us old bastards it just ain’t kosher!!
There’s difficult times ahead for our club, a diminishing membership, absolute crap facilities ( as much as we love the old girl) and an administration seemingly hell bent on driving us into the ground.
The salary cap witch hunt could very well be a defining moment, either a clear our name and move forward or found out as cheats and the stake driven in even further!!
Things have indelibly changed, for the better, probably not, for the worse , maybe, but different, very!!
I’m still “ connected “ but it’s not an umbilical connection like it was for many years.
I appreciate Scott Penn, without him our club would be the Perth Sea Eagles ( or similar) but I don’t have to agree with what he does at times , and I don’t , but I still appreciate his efforts in keeping us going.
Like many I’m disconnected with with the game in general, the changes might suit the Gen Y or whatever they are these days but for us old bastards it just ain’t kosher!!
There’s difficult times ahead for our club, a diminishing membership, absolute crap facilities ( as much as we love the old girl) and an administration seemingly hell bent on driving us into the ground.
The salary cap witch hunt could very well be a defining moment, either a clear our name and move forward or found out as cheats and the stake driven in even further!!
I think the landscape of the game has a huge effect on the connection we as supporters have for whichever club we may follow.
There is far less loyalty in the game with player movement an almost constant within the NRL. Culture is built on a foundation of long term players (5+ years), and you can count on one hand how many of those we have within our roster.
But it’s not just our roster it’s across all teams. There are very clubs that have a core playing group that have stayed together with little movement for an extended period.
So while many may feel they don’t feel what they once did for Manly, I would dare say many other supporters are saying the same thing.
But from my perspective I’ll never be able to shake the passion I have for the club, no matter who pulls on the jersey.
There is far less loyalty in the game with player movement an almost constant within the NRL. Culture is built on a foundation of long term players (5+ years), and you can count on one hand how many of those we have within our roster.
But it’s not just our roster it’s across all teams. There are very clubs that have a core playing group that have stayed together with little movement for an extended period.
So while many may feel they don’t feel what they once did for Manly, I would dare say many other supporters are saying the same thing.
But from my perspective I’ll never be able to shake the passion I have for the club, no matter who pulls on the jersey.
Spartan Eagle
Bencher
Loobs
Living in the demountable.
League is ultimately entertainment and there is much more competition for your time these days than back in the 80's. And league suffers because Greenberg doesn't believe in the product and feels it needs constant tinkering to make it bigger and better.
Personally my interest really dropped off towards the back end of 2009. As a fan, I'd spent years going to every game and watched that side grow, go from average to great, lose a grand final then win in it all in stunning fashion. Once everything started unravelling in 2009, I found I just wasn't up for it now because the summit had been reached. Where do you go after 40-0? Spent a few years not really paying that much attention which worked out well because I was under the pump at work navigating the GFC, then slowly came back around in 2011 (great timing) but had to reacquaint myself with the new guys but I'll never have the out and out passion that I had back then because I've got too much other stuff to be focusing on.
These days I've got kids and work and continuing study so Manly for me is a distraction from everything else. I don't get too worked up about anything that happens because ultimately, a win or a loss means nothing in the grand scheme of things. If anything when someone has a dig at Manly these days if I get pissed off its more because the subtext of their dig is a go at the area in general and I won't stand for that.
Haliaeetus
Reserve Grader
great post Woodsie, spot on
I'm still connected to Manly but am losing my love of the game because IMO it is being ruined by the administrators. I don't believe in the NRL Commission and I consider them a complete failure. I had hoped that collective minds would mitigate egos and personal agendas but sadly IMO that has not occurred. The administrators are like politicians implementing short sighted quick fixes to please those with influence. They have spent a **** load of money, own nothing and have achieved nothing to grow the game at junior levels and have let footy die in the Country.
Sadly unlike incompetent politicians we don't have the ability to vote them out. Because they consider themselves untouchable they make ludicrous decisions like registering Lodge's contract and making up rules as they go to suit their agenda at that time.
On the NRL website they describe themselves as trustees of the game with an objective to foster, grow and develop the game and to provide funding for Rugby league at all levels.
The commission came to power in 2012. Average NRL crowds (2017) have fallen below the 15,000 for the first time since 2004, Rugby League in the Country is dying and the game is fast losing popularity. Membership numbers don't correlate to people coming to the game and an example is the Rabbits who whilst they have the second highest membership (30,454) they have the lower average crowd attendance figure of (10,903) for 2017 sadly we were not far ahead of them at 13,408. There is a massive exodus of junior players in the NRL heartland of Western Sydney which IMO is a result of lack of vision and inaction and the NRL now plan to throw 100m at fixing a problem that should have been addressed proactively and not reactively. I am not enjoying watching the demise of our great game nor am I enjoying watching the persecution of our great club. I still here but feeling the pain.
Sadly unlike incompetent politicians we don't have the ability to vote them out. Because they consider themselves untouchable they make ludicrous decisions like registering Lodge's contract and making up rules as they go to suit their agenda at that time.
On the NRL website they describe themselves as trustees of the game with an objective to foster, grow and develop the game and to provide funding for Rugby league at all levels.
The commission came to power in 2012. Average NRL crowds (2017) have fallen below the 15,000 for the first time since 2004, Rugby League in the Country is dying and the game is fast losing popularity. Membership numbers don't correlate to people coming to the game and an example is the Rabbits who whilst they have the second highest membership (30,454) they have the lower average crowd attendance figure of (10,903) for 2017 sadly we were not far ahead of them at 13,408. There is a massive exodus of junior players in the NRL heartland of Western Sydney which IMO is a result of lack of vision and inaction and the NRL now plan to throw 100m at fixing a problem that should have been addressed proactively and not reactively. I am not enjoying watching the demise of our great game nor am I enjoying watching the persecution of our great club. I still here but feeling the pain.
Ryan
Journey Man
Trent's now coached 54 games for us. He's won 24, and lost 30. He wins approximately 44% of his games.
We lose this weekend, going 2 wins from 6 matches, also looks pretty rough.
Toovey had a 57.6% winning record
Hasler had a 59.2% winning record
Since 1998, only 6 coaches (including Dessie), had a better record than Tooves:
+ Bennett
+ Taylor
+ Dymock
+ Stuart
+ Anderson
+ Hasler
Out of the 292 NRL coaches ever to have coached clubs:
Toovey was 42nd best ever
Hasler was 41st ever
Barrett is currently 133rd
For the record, in our darkest days under Peter Sharp, he rated 178th, with 51 wins, 81 losses, 2 draws and a win % of 37.6
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One of your best Woodsie !!!
Good one Sparty
Whether we like each other or not we are all in this together . Go the mighty Sea eagles !!!
Whilst I would never suggest that you are half-cocked Ryan, I can caution against going off half-cocked ...
Consider that prior to kick off this year Stephen Kearney had a win ratio of 31%
Consider also that for 3 years Dragons fans have been calling for the sacking of Mary MacGregor ..... even as recently as the off-season .... It has taken 4 years for him to put this team together, and many called every recruitment he made crazy ..
Ryan
Journey Man
Also, not 100% sure but Dessie's 1st few years were pretty rough I believe. Hang on, I'll get some stats, and update this post. Nah, I just love the statistical stuff, good or bad. I'm a nerd. Always have been, always will be 🙂
Hasler
2004: 9 wins, 15 losses (no finals) - win % 37.5%
2005: 12 wins, 12 losses (1 finals loss) win % 42.85%
2006: 14 wins, 10 losses (1 finals win, 1 finals loss) win % 48%
X Win% is a cumulative number from year to year. (i.e. 2006 win % also includes 2005 and 2004 results)
Guess I have just proven your point ! Hahahaha
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I really think you have to consider afew factors ( stats aside).
Twenty came on board following a very difficult time in the clubs history and his first roster was very average.
Then consider the Stewart / Matai situation , 1.4 million on the sidelines doing nothing.
He inherited Nate Myles.
He still has Nate Myles!!
And now the Salary Cap debacle!
Give him time everyone and a roster he picks and moulds!!
Twenty came on board following a very difficult time in the clubs history and his first roster was very average.
Then consider the Stewart / Matai situation , 1.4 million on the sidelines doing nothing.
He inherited Nate Myles.
He still has Nate Myles!!
And now the Salary Cap debacle!
Give him time everyone and a roster he picks and moulds!!
I agree , I just wish Trent used the same principle and gave Hasting a bit of time too
I agree with that 100%, and imagine we all do!
Ryan
Journey Man
But, that also means with both Myles and Brown coming off the books next season, we'd have at least 700k to play with, on top of the increase in cap.
If we end up 14th odd, I wouldn't expect huge upgrades to be bandied around.
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