Coach Seibold thoughts so far.... so good

[XV-1]

You see Wayne is a bit smarter than our Brains Department - he signed half the Storm pack, 2x Brommich and Kaufusi. We have half the Tigers pack Woods, Tuilagi and Aloia.

The best post of the month

 

[Scorpio]

You see Wayne is a bit smarter than our Brains Department - he signed half the Storm pack, 2x Brommich and Kaufusi. We have half the Tigers pack Woods, Tuilagi and Aloia.

He also had a clean slate to work with. He was not stuck with somewhere $4 million invested in a fullback, 5/8, half back and (now) prop... two of whom struggle with injury.

The balance of our roster is a large reason why we can't/don't recruit quality players in the positions we need right now.

 

[JenEagle]

Punting a proven premiership winning coach who lives and breathes Manly for Seibold was a wildly absurd move.

Before the pride round, Des was slowly but surely cultivating a team that could win without their best players on the park.

After Barrett, and with a far less impressive roster, we made the finals twice, including top 4, and were a good chance last year before our genius marketing team derailed the season.
(2020 was actually the anomaly with manase being arrested on the eve of the season, Jake missing full preseason, Thompson too recovering from life threatening accident, des on pain medication all year, and turbo injured and our 6 walker as well, plus mid season rule changes that went in direct opposition to the players and style we were building on).

People may disagree with some of his selections, and goodness knows he needed to delegate some roles to seasoned assistants, but I always felt more secure as a Manly fan knowing Hasler was in charge. Unfortunately with Seibold, he is in way over his head. A lot of talk, quite proud of himself for organising coffee groups, says all the right bs, but lacking the foundation that guys like Des, Wayne, or Craig have. This season will continue to derail under the new coach, but don't even blame Seibold. We all know that as long as Penn owns our club, we will fade into obscurity. My prediction is that within 24 months the Tigers will be winning more games than us. And if our recruitment continue to trade in the market as they have been, our first spoon is just around the corner. For all the optimists out there, watch closely

This is a 100 percent correct assessment.

 

[frank stokes]

… stuck with somewhere $4 million invested in a fullback, 5/8, half back and (now) prop...

“One of these things is not like the others, three of these things are kind of the same;
Can you guess which thing is not like the others, now it’s time to play my game…”

Three of these players are representative players that have played for their state and country whilst one is an injury-prone myth that tackles similarly to a pre-squeals Mitchell Moses and has no idea why the coach keeps talking about these “extra-effort” scenarios…

Can you pick the imposter?

 

[Scorpio]

“One of these things is not like the others, three of these things are kind of the same;
Can you guess which thing is not like the others, now it’s time to play my game…”

Three of these players are representative players that have played for their state and country whilst one is an injury-prone myth that tackles similarly to a pre-squeals Mitchell Moses and has no idea why the coach keeps talking about these “extra-effort” scenarios…

Can you pick the imposter?

We are paying absolutely top dollar for 3 of these players for their respective positions when we really shouldn't be.

DCE - well documented
Jake and Tom - local juniors and they were never in any real danger of leaving, yet we still end up re-signing them for absolute top dollar to keep them. Poor negotiating on the club's behalf.

Schuster isnt the highest paid 5/8 in the NRL but is being very much overpaid for what he had shown so far. Time to shine.

 

[Kalvin]

It will be interesting to see if/ how ruthless/strategic the club will be with shaping our roster moving forward.

Will seibs request that we actually need a genuine hooker for example? Or will we continue to re-sign plodders into our top 30 such as Harper, tuipolotu, Boyle, to name a few!

 

[Jerry1]

Manly's coaching situation...

 

[jamesie]

Watch the Dolphins play. Their roster should be way worse than ours.

Their forwards have it so easy because the hooker gets them the ball at the advantage line wide of the markers. Bennet has always been the prop whisperer. I believe that's because he keeps it real simple - time your run, tuck the ball and go hard.

Their defence knows when to slide, when to come in and how to get numbers in the tackle. You can see the communication, even from marker with defenders pointing and calling who they have. Then they actually make the tackle - because they care about their personal accountability, their coach, their teammates and the fans. They don't wrestle a great deal but take their time to get off the ball carrier in the correct order most of the time with the markers in position and defensive line set.

Lots of kick pressure - something we haven't put any effort into for years and good kick chase.

They do the basics so well. That's 90% of rugby league. If we built our roster around TT, DCE, Ola and a bunch of guys who are happy to do this we would have been sweet.

But our team just wants to score tries and sometimes bash the other guys. Everything else is hard work.

Nailed it. I said that last night, I hope Manly were watching the 'Fins last night. Siebs, keep it simple, stupid

 

[Damien2812]

Hasler did have his issues adjusting to the modern game. I think Hasler needed some experienced assistants to help him formulate the best way to adapt to the modern game which never happened unfortunately. I never wanted Seibold near Manly but that's not my decision to make and now Penn can die by his decision to take this club back to the Barrett years. I'm still astonished how many members we managed to get this season on the hype of Seibold and co taking over.

 

[Pete W]

Hasler did have his issues adjusting to the modern game. I think Hasler needed some experienced assistants to help him formulate the best way to adapt to the modern game which never happened unfortunately. I never wanted Siebold near Manly but that's not my decision to make and now Penn can die by his decision to take this club back to the Barrett years. I'm still astonished how many members we managed to get this season on the hype of Siebold and co taking over.

Apparently the northern beaches faithful are just as easily charmed by buzz words and cheap talk as clueless Penn and other corporates who don't understand the game of rugby league.

Most likely Mestrov attempting (albeit admirably) to assert himself, coupled with the name Flanagan being introduced to the coaching ranks has fuelled this baseless confidence.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

It will be interesting to see if/ how ruthless/strategic the club will be with shaping our roster moving forward.

Will seibs request that we actually need a genuine hooker for example? Or will we continue to re-sign plodders into our top 30 such as Harper, tuipolotu, Boyle, to name a few!

We resigned Boyle to an extension to this season, why not sign him for another 5 years.

 

[mickqld]

IMO Seibold has 3 weeks to turn this shyte around. We have 3 Sunday arvo games against 3 sides we should beat. Sharks hardly ever beat us at home and the Raiders and Knights are must wins. If it's not 3-0 after that then it's season over and this coach will be consigned to the ranks of fail.

 

[Highflier]

The other thing from the other night was our impatience ,TT thru a few of those cut outs to no one when we had a few tackles left ,I think DCE as good as what he was, gave the ball away unnecessarily early a couple of times when we needed to just go thru the set, ofcourse not counting all of Aloais dropped balls and play the ball errors .
no wonder we couldnt score points and TT looked underdone ,if you have a 55% completion rate you cant win .
For me either Lawton to the 13 ,or Bully ,Aloai dropped to the bench or dropped to the BWSE, Fainu onto the bench and Gordon to 14 if we can pick him', or if not Weeks to 14

 

[Rocky]

While i don't think Seibold is the magic bullet, is he to blame for the injuries and all the errors the last 2 weeks?

I counted about 6 errors in the first 10 minutes the other night.....plus the rest over the remainder of the game.

Plus

tommy looking like crap
Jake injured
Schuster injured
Croker playing busted

plus a heap of other injuries over the last two months.

Serious question - how much should the current issues be attributable to the coaching staff?

 

[Pete W]

IMO Seibold has 3 weeks to turn this shyte around. We have 3 Sunday arvo games against 3 sides we should beat. Sharks hardly ever beat us at home and the Raiders and Knights are must wins. If it's not 3-0 after that then it's season over and this coach will be consigned to the ranks of fail.

As defensive coach, Seibold has us leaking more points than the Tigers after 9 games. Taking into consideration the byes, we are sitting 11th in terms of wins. If we don't win a minimum of 2 out of the next 3 we will be entrenched in the bottom 4 and lose touch with the 8. After that, will be the spiel from Seibold that we are building, time and patience needed, but positive steps made, etc.

Poppycock!

 

[JenEagle]

As defensive coach, Seibold has us leaking more points than the Tigers after 9 games. Taking into consideration the byes, we are sitting 11th in terms of wins. If we don't win a minimum of 2 out of the next 3 we will be entrenched in the bottom 4 and lose touch with the 8. After that, will be the spiel from Seibold that we are building, time and patience needed, but positive steps made, etc.

Poppycock!

We could very easily lose these three games.

 

[BOZO]

While i don't think Seibold is the magic bullet, is he to blame for the injuries and all the errors the last 2 weeks?

Team Adversity and Injuries are part of the game
Team Resolution is part of a well coached team

 

[Pete W]

While i don't think Seibold is the magic bullet, is he to blame for the injuries and all the errors the last 2 weeks?

I counted about 6 errors in the first 10 minutes the other night.....plus the rest over the remainder of the game.

Plus

tommy looking like crap
Jake injured
Schuster injured
Croker playing busted

plus a heap of other injuries over the last two months.

Serious question - how much should the current issues be attributable to the coaching staff?

A lot in fact. 3 words...

Defence. Defence. Defence.

Injuries can excuse clunky attack but certainly not defensive systems, and individual desire to implement. This is 100% the responsibility of the head coach, especially one in charge of defence. We are not even competing atm.

 

[BOZO]

100% the responsibility of the head coach, especially one in charge of defence. We are not even competing atm.

Spot on !!!
The Key word that you used here is Competing

Good Coaches get players to be competitive regardless of the playing roster quality
Those teams may lose but they do not get thrashed .

Once teams start to get Well beaten on a regular basis
It is a sign that their coach is lost for answers and keep coming up with the same excuses
And this quote I found says it all .
EXCUSES ARE TOOLS OF INCOMPETENCE
USED TO BUILD MONUMENTS OF NOTHINGNESS

 

[Rocky]

Team Adversity and Injuries are part of the game
Team Resolution is part of a well coached team

We fell apart under Des as well.

So, is there a solution other than getting a Bellamy or Bennett?

Robinson is considered one of the top coaches in the game but not like the roosters are travelling well.