Coach Seibold thoughts so far.... so good

[Raven Mad Manly Fan]

The biggest myth going around on here is that we need a "Manly man"

We won comps with Bozo and Des because they were all time great coaches - not because they played for the club.

We just need a really good coach no matter the background

What isn't a myth is this: the fact that EVERY premiership we have ever won, we have won it with a "Manly man" at the helm.

Furthermore, any and every time we've had a non-Manly man here at the helm, it's been nothing other than a failed experiment - cases in point: Phil Lowe, Peter Sharp, Trent Barrett, Anthony Siebold.

So, until a non-Manly man wins us a premiership the above stated FACT remains a FACT.

 

[Brookie1973]

What isn't a myth is this: the fact that EVERY premiership we have ever won, we have won it with a "Manly man" at the helm.

Furthermore, any and every time we've had a non-Manly man here at the helm, it's been nothing other than a failed experiment - cases in point: Phil Lowe, Peter Sharp, Trent Barrett, Anthony Siebold.

So, until a non-Manly man wins us a premiership the above stated FACT remains a FACT.

Spot on. Ron Willey, Frank Stanton, Bozo, Hasler. Manly premiership winning coaches, all played over 100 first grade games for the club.

NB I think you meant Graham Lowe, not Phil 😀

 

[Rocky]

What isn't a myth is this: the fact that EVERY premiership we have ever won, we have won it with a "Manly man" at the helm.

Furthermore, any and every time we've had a non-Manly man here at the helm, it's been nothing other than a failed experiment - cases in point: Phil Lowe, Peter Sharp, Trent Barrett, Anthony Siebold.

So, until a non-Manly man wins us a premiership the above stated FACT remains a FA

Have we ever had a world class coach here that didn't play for Manly?

We can go around in circles here, but if you think it was the fact that Des and Bozo played for Manly was the primary reason they won a premiership as coach here, then I'll politely agree to disagree.

How many games did Cleary play for Penrith and Bellamy play for Melbourne incidentally?

We just need a really good coach, and yes if they played for Manly then even better.

 

[Brookie1973]

Have we ever had a world class coach here that didn't play for Manly?

We can go around in circles here, but if you think it was the fact that Des and Bozo played for Manly was the primary reason they won a premiership as coach here, then I'll politely agree to disagree.

How many games did Cleary play for Penrith and Bellamy play for Melbourne incidentally?

We just need a really good coach, and yes if they played for Manly then even better.

The chances of us landing a proven world class coach are next to zero. The options then seem to be going with a rookie and hope we strike gold (which we tried with Barrett) or picking someone with Manly DNA who has a passion for the place. The fact other teams have won comps without a homegrown coach does not disprove that Manly’s success has always been with a Manly coach.

 

[lsz]

I understand the history but also the game has moved on from where it was in the last 13 or so years since we last won a comp

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I understand the history but also the game has moved on from where it was in the last 13 or so years since we last won a comp

110% but the experts on here conveniently forget that.

 

[lsz]

110% but the experts on here conveniently forget that.

Just like your comments on players taking unders etc

 

[Brookie1973]

I understand the history but also the game has moved on from where it was in the last 13 or so years since we last won a comp

Had the game moved on between 1972 and 2011? Or just the last 13 years?

 

[lsz]

Had the game moved on between 1972 and 2011? Or just the last 13 years?

Honestly it keeps moving but I would think the generational shift from a player perspective has been a massive one - something we are only just catching up with compared to the states

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Just like your comments on players taking unders etc

They certainly did ( back in the day ) but I bet not one would in 2025.

 

[niccipops]

Had the game moved on between 1972 and 2011? Or just the last 13 years?

Heaps of changes in the last 10 years. Bunker, video ref scrutinising tries to the millisecond. Stupid 6 agains, hate them, but tolerate them when Manly get them. Rule review focuses that last 2 weeks or so but pop up again randomly. Sin bin phases, drastically affecting games.
HIAs, definitely good for players futures, a good thing.
Miss the old days though.

 

[Brookie1973]

Heaps of changes in the last 10 years. Bunker, video ref scrutinising tries to the millisecond. Stupid 6 agains, hate them, but tolerate them when Manly get them. Rule review focuses that last 2 weeks or so but pop up again randomly. Sin bin phases, drastically affecting games.
HIAs, definitely good for players futures, a good thing.
Miss the old days though.

Can’t disagree with that. Plenty of changes, but I still say the game was better 10 years ago by a long way. Six agains have ruined the game imho.

We were talking more about changes that may have a bearing on whether manlys success under “manly men” could or couldn’t be replicated in today’s game. I say it can.