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Did anyone hear about "War Machine" the mma fighter who is on the run and his porn star girlfriend who just got into hospital with 20 odd broken bones in her face a ruptured liver
And a stack of missing teeth.
 
No @manlyfan76

Haven't heard about that, but obviously you get idiots in each and any sport mate.

And good post @mozgrame

You know I appreciate the sport and all the permutations you touch on.

What I was agreeing with (with @nodd) was the unsavoury side, largely in the administration of the sport mate.

Look forward to our updates when you've got the time, too.
 
manlyfan76 said:
I wonder at what point of beating her he decided she had had enough?
Pill of ****e.

You'd think she would have tapped out.


Maidana looking to throw 100 punches per round against Mayweather.

Former two division world champion Marcos Maidana (35-4, 31 KOs) will be looking to overwhelm WBA/WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr (46-0, 26 KOs) next month by throwing over 100 punches per round for 12 rounds.

That’s Maidana’s goal for the fight, according to El Sig Glo. He wants to keep Mayweather so busy covering up and trying to block punches that he never gets a chance to get his own offense in gear.

In their previous fight last May, Maidana threw over 90 punches per round in the early part of the fight, but then he faded considerably in the second have and saw his punch output drop off. But now in training camp Maidana is working on his conditioning so that he won’t fade like he did last time.

To be sure, it will be difficult for Mayweather to handle Maidana if he does end up averaging over 100 punches thrown per round. That’ll mean that Mayweather is standing stationary long enough for Maidana to throw that many shots.

It’ll also be very difficult for Mayweather to have moments to get his own shots in because Maidana will be a virtual punching machine from start to finish of every round. Even if Mayweather were to block 80% of the shots Maidana throws, he’ll still wind up getting hit hard 20 times in each round.

It would work out to Maidana landing over 200 punches in the fight, and that’s a conservative estimate. If he lands more than 20% of his shots, he could wind up connecting on over 300 punches. That’s a winning formula for Maidana. If he connects with over 300 hard punches, it’s going to make it awfully difficult for Mayweather to be able to outland him and get a points decision.

Mayweather is going to need to somehow stay on the move for as much as possible in every round, because if he stands still for very long, he’s going to get overwhelmed with shots from Maidana. I don’t know that Mayweather has the ability to match Maidana punch for punch if he’s throwing 100 punches in a round.

That seems beyond Mayweather’s capability. But Mayweather can take away Maidana’s offense if he can stay on the move and not let Maidana get set to get his shots off. That’s really the best way of beating Maidana unless Mayweather wants to tie him up 10+ times per round the way that Devon Alexander did in beating Maidana in 2012.
 
That sounds like a great plan in theory @mozgrame

Maidana does have some power in his punch.

Mayweather has some of the best instincts and defence going though, and many a fighter has tried various methods to break it down.

I really hope he succeeds though mate (along with a few other million ppl world-wide) I'd love to see "Money" lose!

(Thanks for the update).
 
Algieri will bring his power to the ring against Pacquiao

WBO 140 pound champion Chris Algieri (20-0, 8 KOs) thinks people don’t realize how hard he can punch. He says he got the attention of Ruslan Provodnikov with his power shots in their fight last June in beating him by a 12 round decision.

Algieri brings a lot to the table with his height and reach that he plans on using against WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao (56-5-2, 38 KOs) on November 22nd in Macao, China. But it’s Algieri’s power that could open some eyes in this fight when he starts connecting on his shots against Pacquiao.

“I hit harder than people think. I have special skills which I can keep up the whole fight,” Algieri said to the Manilastandardtoday.com. “I know how to use my reach advantage and my jab is the key. This is boxing.”

If Algieri can stop moving long enough to sit down on his shots on November 22nd, he could stun Pacquiao. Algieri will need to make sure he focuses on watching Pacquiao’s eyes after he hits him, becaue if his eyes roll over white then that’s signal for him to go after him with a flurry of punches to take him out. Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach might have to throw in the towel if it gets too bad. He obviously doesn’t want Pacquiao to be left face down on the canvas like in his fight against Juan Manuel Marquez.

Pacquiao was shook up in his last fight against little Tim Bradley after getting hit with a hard right hand last April, and Bradley can’t punch. Seeing Pacquiao stunned by Bradley tells me that his chin might not have fully recovered from his vicious 6th round knockout loss to Juan Manuel Marquez in 2012. Pacquiao hasn’t fought anybody that can punch since that fight, and he hasn’t fought anyone that you could call a good fighter.

Bradley is more of a pumped up light welterweight than an actual welterweight. Even at 140, Bradley couldn’t punch, and he lost whatever little power he had in moving up to 147.

Brandon Rios, who Pacquiao whipped last November, was like a slow moving punching bag with arms and legs attached. He didn’t test Pacquiao’s chin because he was too slow to land his shots, and the ones that he did land were harmless. Rios is basically a lightweight who ate his way to welterweight instead of grew up to the weight. He still has his lightweight power but he’s even slower than he was back then.

Algieri will have a hard time getting a decision against Pacquiao unless he does something special like knocking him down two to three times in the fight. Just boxing and moving and boxing likely won’t be enough.


Manny still has some tricks of his own :) A relaxed training session with the mits....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqQSfJNfWzw
 
No bias against Manny in that rant, hey mate!

Pac-Man deserves a lot more respect than that and it's only the warrior's age that may start to count against him, if the fight goes beyond 5 or 6 rounds.

I still reckon Manny will dominate, just as he did with the big-mouthed Bradley.
 
Pacquiao: Mayweather will have no choice but to fight me in 2015

By Raj Parmar: While currently promoting his welterweight title defense against Chris Algieri (20-0, 8 KO’s) that is set to take place on November 22, Manny Pacquiao (58-5-2, 38 KO’s) and promoter Bob Arum took some time to discuss a potential showdown with pound for pound king Floyd Mayweather (46-0, 26 KO’s). Both believe the long anticipated superfight can finally happen next year and that a deal will no doubt be reached amongst all parties involved very soon.

Mayweather currently has a network deal in place with Showtime while Manny fights for rival network HBO. Arum is confident however that the two networks can come to a special agreement to stage the fight, which would no doubt shatter pay per view records. Both networks had previously staged a joint promotion when Mike Tyson took on Lennox Lewis in a huge heavyweight title clash; as Tyson was signed with Showtime and Lewis with HBO.


Arum feels that the only thing preventing the fight from being confirmed for next year is Mayweather’s willingness to take the fight under fair terms for Pacquiao, which includes an equitable split of the money involved.

“With Showtime wanting the fight and HBO wanting it and Manny and Top Rank wanting the fight, there is one little step to take and that’s to see where Floyd stand and we’re optimistic that this time, Floyd will bite the bullet and do the fight on equitable terms,” Arum stated to mb.com.ph, “They (HBO and Showtime) can find a way to promote and satisfy both sides from a legal basis.”

Pacquiao himself feels that Floyd will fight him next year due in large part to the pressure Showtime will put on Floyd to step in the ring with him. “He doesn’t have a choice but to accept,” Pacquiao stated as he was preparing to continue the promotional tour for the Algieri fight.

Showtime signed Mayweather to a very aggressive 6 fight deal in order to lure the pay per view star away from HBO, with reports suggesting the deal could be worth as high as 250 million dollars for Floyd. Out of the three fights he has completed under the contract so far, two of those events (against Robert Guerrero in May 2013 and Marcos Maidana in May 2014) are said to have generated less than a million buys. On the other hand, his fight against popular Mexican boxer Saul Alvarez generated an enormous 2.2 million buys which is the second highest all time in number of buys.

Therefore it is clear that pitting Mayweather against a popular fighter is a sure bet to generate lots of pay per views buys which in turn leads to lots of money in the hands of the executives at the helm of the networks and promotions. If it is true that many people behind the scenes are losing money on the Floyd deal with Showtime due to the large amounts that must be paid to Floyd, it would not be extremely surprising if high power executives are itching to get a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight complete next year; which alone would cover the cost and more for Floyd’s entire revolutionary 6 fight deal.


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/08/pacquiao-mayweather-will-have-no-choice-but-to-fight-me-in-2015/
 
By Jerry Izenberg/Columnist Emeritus
on September 01, 2014 at 5:39 PM

LAS VEGAS — Manny Pacquiao lives with an unanswered question mark. Geography plays no role. It doesn’t matter whether he’s in Macao or Manila or Las Vegas or on his way to the Wild Card Gym in L.A.

In the backroads of his mind, Manny Pacquiao is shadow boxing with a phantom, and there is no timekeeper, and no bell. He can see him. He can hear him. He finally even believes he can understand him.

But he cannot lay a glove on him.

Wherever he goes, sooner or later, he is asked about Floyd Mayweather, Jr., and about the greatest fight that never happened. In two weeks, Mayweather fights Marco Maidana here in a rematch of what could have been his closest fight. In November, Pacquiao is back in Macao to meet Chris Algieri, who holds the WBO welterweight title.

If form holds, neither fight will answer Manny’s question.

Bob Arum has just announced both camps are holding highly secret talks. Since he publicly announced them at least three times in 48 hours, these discussion are as about as secret as the recipe for ice cubes — if, indeed, they are talking at all.

From a business standpoint, Arum says next year, in terms of public interest, the shelf life of the fight will shrink to five months — not much longer than a supermarket bottle of sour gherkins. This, of course, is a negotiating tactic.

So the beat goes on.

But one man’s professed declining interest can be three-quarters of the world’s Filipinos’ obsession. There are approximately 90,000 Filipinos living in the Greater Las Vegas area. It seemed as though all of them packed the Venetian Hotel and Casino on Friday waiting for the return of their champion.

So this is the way it was by the time he arrived. Three or four deep, they packed the lines that began at the entrance they call the Grand Colonnade, and wound for more than 40 or 50 yards into the heart of the casino.

He smiled repeatedly and waved steadily as he walked between those parallel lines to a thundered response he found incredible:

"Manny … Manny … Manny."

It was more coronation than greeting.

Later as we sat in a meeting room at The Palazzo, the Venetian’s sister hotel, Manny shook his head and said it surprised him. He had groped for the right English word to match the Tagalog he must have been thinking. One suspects the word he was reaching for was "stunned."

And then, of course, I asked him "the question."

"Why he will not fight me?" came his rhetorical answer. "Well, I think he is worried about his (undefeated) record. He talks about his zero losses. The zero that means so much to him means nothing when measured against who he fought.

"You talk pound-for-pound best, or undefeated champion. If you don’t defend against the best, none of that means anything."

"So if it should happen, I imagine you have given a lot of thought as to how you would fight him," I said.

Pacquiao smiled like a man with a great secret and then he said:

"I know how to fight him. I know what I’m doing. I know what his style is all about. So, if he don’t want to create action," and here he paused to smile again, "I know how to create action. I know that I can make him stand and fight.

"Listen, this is me. I punch, and punch, and punch. This is boxing. If you don’t punch, you don’t deserve to win. For me, that has always been boxing."

"Are you saying it’s the same now as it was before your first fight?"

"My first fight," he said without hesitation, "was in a place called Mindoro Occidental. His name was Ignacio and I won a four-round decision. But what I mean to tell you is that even then I was never nervous in the dressing room. For me, it was and still is an exciting experience."

All of those title fights at all those weight classes ever since his first pro fight, and for him, it is still very clear — this definition of what it means to be a fighter.

"If boxing is your passion with great conviction, why be nervous? It’s what you do."

"So how do you explain Floyd Mayweather from that standpoint? He certainly is not afraid."

"Not of fighting," Pacquiao said, "but perhaps of what one night could do to his zero of losses. I think I finally understand him:…what he says,…how he acts,…and I don’t like it. But what l learned and heard from him, well, I realize why he is like that. I understand sometimes when the people are not educated they just talk to talk. He sets a very bad example."

So the waiting game goes on. Before he leaves he says, "I was born to be a fighter. That’s why," and here he laughs, "I’m not a lawyer. I know who I am."

But in his heart he knows that picture cannot be complete unless the greatest fight that may never happen goes from the ethereal to the real.
 
Absolutely brilliant article (and interview) @mozgrame

You know I'm 100% in Manny's corner on this.

As much as I'd LOVE to see this fight, I feel Mayweather has intentionally avoided Pac-Man for years (for all of the reasons Manny cites there) and will continue to do so.

IF he ever fights Manny, Mayweather will keep him waiting as long as he possibly can; in the desire for Manny to get older, more jaded, less powerful.

This fight should've happened years ago, AND we could've wound up with rematches or an unforgettable trilogy, along the lines of Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran etc.

And if he NEVER does fight Manny I agree with his opinion.

You can only genuinely be called the best "pound-for-pound" if you fight all-comers, especially a long-term proven warrior and champion like Pacquiao!
 
Manny v Floyd would love it to happen but as Manny says Mayweather is trying to protect his legacy. Shame, the whole boxing world wants to see it!
 
Mals said:
Manny v Floyd would love it to happen but as Manny says Mayweather is trying to protect his legacy. Shame, the whole boxing world wants to see it!

The whole boxing world, apart from Floyd, his entourage and fans, that is mate!

I'm not a betting man (never have been). But if I were I'd put plenty on THIS particular fight never happening now.
 
Well the whole world saw or heard about Mayweather "adjusting" his tactics for the re-match with Maidana (today our time / Saturday night in the U.S.A.)

Floyd is a smart "boxer". He is merely above-average, or adequate, as a "fighter" as I rate these things. (He's never been a knockout-specialist, nor had explosive fists). At least not consistently enough against quality "fighters" for my opinion.

But, he IS smart, versatile and crafty; and no-one can get to 47-0 in pro-fighting without being truly tested and I will give him credit for that.

I don't like how he (and his camp) have choreographed his career as precisely as a master-craftsman or watch-maker; particularly his avoidance of genuine threats (like Pac-Man) these past few years at least.

Having just read the "BleacherReport's" overview of this fight (I respect their opinion) the 1st fight was closer than the 2nd. The 2nd was still close, but Mayweather did deserve the win (116-111 / 115-112 / 116-111). Unanimous and whilst close, clear enough to accept the verdict.

Which just proves what many of us expected : Mayweather got used to Maidana's style (in that 1st battle), came up with and executed the right fight plan to get the job done. Good luck to him (and Maidana). Too early to know of or even anticipate another rematch ( most unlikely).

And I'm glad I stuck with my gut, and didn't waste 40 or 50 bucks to see Mayweather predictably and conservatively outpoint Maidana.

At least he (Maidana) has now received two healthy pay-cheques for himself and his young family.
 
Mayweather-Maidana Post Fight Press Conference Highlights

By Raj Parmar:

Pound for pound King Floyd Mayweather Jr improved his undefeated record to 47-0 (26 KO’s) with a dominating unanimous decision win against Marcos Maidana last night (35-5, 31 KO’s). After the fight, both men spoke on the matchup and their respective futures at the post fight press conference.

Maidana stated that he felt he won the fight and didn’t understand why the judges would give rounds to a boxer that spends most of his time running around the ring. He admitted however that Floyd is extremely fast and that he plans to continue fighting.

There was lots of talk about a potential fight between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao once Floyd stepped up to the podium. Showtime Sports VP Stephen Espinoza would not outright say if talks between Showtime, HBO and Top Rank have occurred or not and gave very little detail on whether the fight could possibly be made. Floyd touched on the subject by saying if Pacquiao was his own boss then Manny would be in a much better position in the world of boxing.

After the fight had immediately ended, Floyd had said he felt weak and the way he sounded in the press conference concurred as his voice was very hoarse. He addressed the booing from the crowd in the 12th round of the fight as he stayed away from Maidana for nearly the entire round. Floyd said he sees no reason to engage in toe to toe brawling with the fight in the bag, as a lucky knockout shot could destroy his legacy so he has to be smart in the ring.

Mayweather felt he was closing in the knockout before Marcos bit his hand, and he could not feel his left hand from the 8th round onward. He went on to state that former Maidana strength and conditioning coach Alex Ariza (who was in attendance at the press conference) helped him with his diet during the last week of the fight. Mayweather followed Ariza’s suggestions and invited him to the podium to talk, although Ariza declined. They however shared a big hug once the press conference concluded.

Floyd ended the press conference by saying that Miguel Cotto overall hits harder and is a better fighter than Maidana, and Marcos is just very reckless in the ring which can make him difficult to deal with at times.
 
Not a fan of boxing but love MMA and Judo.
Name me another sport where you're permitted to club your opponent like a baby seal?

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ2HijY2QZ0[/video]
 
LOL @WAMF

I think you know i like both (to varying degrees) Boxing and U.F.C.

It's a fine-line in the UFC sometimes when you feel a ref should or shouldn't step-in and stop it. Even I cringe now and then, because you're right.

UFC is (or can be ) far more brutal than traditional boxing.

So it's not for the squeamish, but no-one has to watch it if they don't like it.

I've also seen many-a-fighter say no-one is forced to enter the Octagon; it's their choice; and a LOT of them say they love it. Two warriors man-to-man (mostly) and not many excuses or too much bad-blood once the fight's done.

Yeah you get guys making excuses (for a loss) or guys that seriously dislike one another on-the-street so to speak. Far more from what I've seen respect, even admire other fighters. (That's where pro-boxers' could take a leaf from).
I know half the trash-talk is "staged" to fan the flames of an upcoming bout;
but same as I see footy...Better to shut up and let your actions or ability speak for itself! *Sooner or later, all big-mouths get rolled; and look twice as bad in that light.

PLUS, I will admit to a casual crush on Ronda Rousey. (I know she polarizes the fans; just like many successful and confident athletes). For mine, she made the Female UFC franchise respectable and genuinely noteworthy.

I know a lot of fans want to see her lose. I'm not one-of-them.

She's 27 now. Could easily have 2 or 3 years ahead of her.
She's also expanded her repertoire rapidly the last 12 months, too.

No longer just a judo-champion beating weaker opponents with wrestling and submission holds. Now she's staying on her feet and has worked hard on her striking game, and it shows! (Even Miesha Tate conceded that not long ago, and I think those two do genuinely dislike each other).

I for one hope Ronda continues and finishes her career undefeated.

She's legit; she was and remains the face of the female UFC.

AND what a gorgeous face ( and whole package) she is!

Just remember: If she asked you to take the garbage out, or mow the lawn for example...probably wise to just do it!
 
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