Is this where we are headed ( NRL)

[Mark from Brisbane]

I’ve been banging on about how the rich clubs are doing well and we ( not a rich club ) are just one of the middling clubs , and will continue to be the same under the current ownership structure.

My point in case.

The English Super League

12 sides currently ( I think a couple folded ) but let’s just use the 12.

Out of the 12 here are the winners from the last 25 years.

St Helen’s 8
Bradford 3
Leeds 8
Wigan 6

Just 4 clubs , the other 8 , not a sniff!!

Money is EVERYTHING over there , the best facilities , the best players , the best coaches & footy departments.

I fear we are headed in exactly the same way.

Thoughts ???

 

[Nike]

It will probably come down to the clubs who can manipulate the salary cap the best, which is also probably nothing new. We're currently watching the Penrith dynasty be ripped apart by the Bulldogs, etc, as they should in the spirit of the salary cap.

I could see teams like Melbourne, Roosters and even now the Dolphins consistently doing well in this regard due to their administration however, I can also see the NRL push 'fairytale' narratives through soft draws and officiating (think Rabbitohs beating the curse) so some teams win it out of no where to keep things interesting.

Rugby League fans won't accept the English Premier League standard of finishing in a certain position being good enough, premierships are the only indicators of success in our game.

 

[Disco]

AFR brand value & SMH revenue rating excluding Broncos and Storm.

 

[Bloke on the hill]

The game & how it all works has changed.
NRL is not set up for the demographic of the northern beaches (or eastern suburbs for that matter) and results will reflect that sooner or later. It is unlikely that a Manly team & coaching staff with mid to low funds etc. can out perform the teams with a better suited demographic, more funding & larger supporter base.
The game can be easily massaged & is now all about $$$.

 

[bob dylan]

I’ve been banging on about how the rich clubs are doing well and we ( not a rich club ) are just one of the middling clubs , and will continue to be the same under the current ownership structure.

My point in case.

The English Super League

12 sides currently ( I think a couple folded ) but let’s just use the 12.

Out of the 12 here are the winners from the last 25 years.

St Helen’s 8
Bradford 3
Leeds 8
Wigan 6

Just 4 clubs , the other 8 , not a sniff!!

Money is EVERYTHING over there , the best facilities , the best players , the best coaches & footy departments.

I fear we are headed in exactly the same way.

Thoughts ???

We have been in this situation for 10 years, along with Eels, Dragons, Knights, Tigers, and Bunnies just to name some Sydney clubs in strife. Between those 6 clubs there are zero premierships on the horizon. Not sure if Sharks are any better off either.

Teams like Titans and possibly Knights, Tigers and Manly could disappear completely.

Its a reality.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

It will probably come down to the clubs who can manipulate the salary cap the best, which is also probably nothing new. We're currently watching the Penrith dynasty be ripped apart by the Bulldogs, etc, as they should in the spirit of the salary cap.

I could see teams like Melbourne, Roosters and even now the Dolphins consistently doing well in this regard due to their administration however, I can also see the NRL push 'fairytale' narratives through soft draws and officiating (think Rabbitohs beating the curse) so some teams win it out of no where to keep things interesting.

Rugby League fans won't accept the English Premier League standard of finishing in a certain position being good enough, premierships are the only indicators of success in our game.

The chickens and storm chasers never have to shed players. The fact Penrith have lost so many makes their success even more incredible. I can't see anyone getting close to what they have achieved.

 

[Once Was Brissie Kid]

Expect the big clubs in Sydney to work with each other and NRL to ensure they always play each other twice each season and always at the bigger stadiums, on the same holiday or event days each year if possible, and to start promoting and sharing game day ticket and corporate money from it all.

Even if Manly sells out every home game, even if Manly also takes one event game each year to Homebush and somehow fills it (like London RU clubs have been doing at Twickenham), the big Sydney clubs would still be miles in front.

Manly, Sharks & Penrith will be left to die or relocate to another city. The only other option is sell interstate and international membership and tv game tickets, like NFL clubs do, but i guess the NRL probably owns all the rights at the moment.

Manly would have model itself on the Green Bay Packers or something. I don't think Green Bay township itself has a population bigger than its stadium.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

We have been in this situation for 10 years, along with Eels, Dragons, Knights, Tigers, and Bunnies just to name some Sydney clubs in strife. Between those 6 clubs there are zero premierships on the horizon. Not sure if Sharks are any better off either.

Teams like Titans and possibly Knights, Tigers and Manly could disappear completely.

Its a reality.

Yes , I can see it coming.

They’ll eliminate a few Sydney clubs to foster growth in areas they see as being better demographics.

Ipswich Jets ( west of Brisbane ) , absolute RL heartland.

Central Queensland ( ditto )

NZ South Island

And I reckon they’ll target Adelaide as well , a long long way from heartland but necessary in their fight with the AFL for TV dollars.

Clubs I see at risk - Manly , Dragons, Tigers

I think the Titans are safe , purely as a foil for the Gold Coast Suns.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

AFR brand value & SMH renue rating excluding Broncos and Storm.

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The two revenues not provided would eclipse those listed by a fair margin.

 

[bob dylan]

I think the Titans are safe , purely as a foil for the Gold Coast Suns.

The NRL need to commit to making them a super power like the Broncos.

Just has to happen, or let them die.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

The NRL need to commit to making them a super power like the Broncos.

Just has to happen, or let them die.

I'll take the second option, thanks.

 

[Disco]

The two revenues not provided would eclipse those listed by a fair margin.

And they have 4 premierships between them in the last 20 years.

Manly have 2.

Sorry I know we've gone through this at times but I disagree, its not as simple as money equals success. Broncos are a financial powerhouse and last won in 2006.

Put simply a well run club at all level leads to success.

 

[madmax]

If Manly was to fold….i would also. Noway I could or would ever support another team whether relocated or amalgamated. I’ve lost so much interest in rugby league as it is let alone if Manly folds. I’d think the NRL & league would lose many many supporters if any more teams were culled. So sad that we’re thinking this way!

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

We have been in this situation for 10 years, along with Eels, Dragons, Knights, Tigers, and Bunnies just to name some Sydney clubs in strife. Between those 6 clubs there are zero premierships on the horizon. Not sure if Sharks are any better off either.

Teams like Titans and possibly Knights, Tigers and Manly could disappear completely.

Its a reality.

Any negative vibes you want to get off your chest, Bob?

 

[Cliffycomeback]

And they have 4 premierships between them in the last 20 years.

Manly have 2.

Sorry I know we've gone through this at times but I disagree, its not as simple as money equals success. Broncos are a financial powerhouse and last won in 2006.

Put simply a well run club at all level leads to success.

I Think the past ten years is a more accurate take on where the game is headed. Also have a look at the top four over that timeframe as well and it becomes clear there is probably a three tier grading when it comes to NRL clubs. The big boys, the we can get there if everything goes our way clubs, and the also rans.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

And they have 4 premierships between them in the last 20 years.

Manly have 2.

Sorry I know we've gone through this at times but I disagree, its not as simple as money equals success. Broncos are a financial powerhouse and last won in 2006.

Put simply a well run club at all level leads to success.

I misread your post in my previous reply. Sorry about that. I agree with this,

 

[Disco]

I Think the past ten years is a more accurate take on where the game is headed. Also have a look at the top four over that timeframe as well and it becomes clear there is probably a three tier grading when it comes to NRL clubs. The big boys, the we can get there if everything goes our way clubs, and the also rans.

Yeah but you can pretty much pick a ten year period from any stage in Rugby League history and you'll see a few teams dominating.

Success goes in cycles for the most part

 

[eaglebuzz]

Yeah but you can pretty much pick a ten year period from any stage in Rugby League history and you'll see a few teams dominating.

Success goes in cycles for the most part

Yeah, you pick the 10 years before that (2005-2015) we looked absolutely fantastic.

I think we can, and will, be successful again. Unfortunately the club has had to repair a lot of damage done by very bad management decisions, especially with regard to the coaching and playing rosters.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

Yeah but you can pretty much pick a ten year period from any stage in Rugby League history and you'll see a few teams dominating.

Success goes in cycles for the most part

Storm have been successful from the get go. Always there or thereabouts. Same with the chickens bar a season or two. Penrith have set themselves up for continued success and it's showing. The Dogs appear to be headed in the Panthers way under Gould. Brisbane and NZ seem to be best positioned to challenge the current peak clubs. Canberra are looking promising too. All of those clubs are very wealthy.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

And they have 4 premierships between them in the last 20 years.

Manly have 2.

Sorry I know we've gone through this at times but I disagree, its not as simple as money equals success. Broncos are a financial powerhouse and last won in 2006.

Put simply a well run club at all level leads to success.

100% agree with your last sentence , but in 2025 money is far far more important.

As far as the Broncos go , far far too much influence by the old boys.

Old boys should be celebrated , once a year , not control the club year round.

That’s their issue