Jamal Fogarty

At the end of the day it was time for DCE to go. What is the options for signing experienced halfbacks out there, none. We got the best one available. Let's see how he goes before pulling him down. Hopefully he'll get a decent pack in front of him to give him space.
 
I can remember saab getting run down by a forward a couple of seasons ago, its all about the angles. The fog is no speedster but is not slow either. More importantly he is quicker between the ears than larry long neck.

I remember Turbo getting run down by a forward a few years back.
 
At the end of the day it was time for DCE to go. What is the options for signing experienced halfbacks out there, none. We got the best one available. Let's see how he goes before pulling him down. Hopefully he'll get a decent pack in front of him to give him space.
Yeah I totally agree, but getting the best one available doesn't translate to 'better' than what we already had. So yes, glad we were able to sign Fog but not expecting him to elevate us beyond where we were under DCE.
 
I agree there’s been no overt messiah references but I think people are letting their distaste for DCE as a person, cloud their judgement on his footballing ability.

He’s clearly in another league to Jamal Fogarty. I don’t have to list the comparative accolades to make my point. He’s so far ahead of Fog it’s not funny.

I’m holding out a bit of hope that Fog’s control will be a good thing for our game plan but I don’t think that’s a fait accompli like Many suggest.

Fingers crossed.
No doubt Chez at his peak is leagues above Fogarty but on 2025 form I wouldnt give Chez a clear win.

He has had some good games but plenty that were fairly average.

Fogarty whilst maybe not having the peaks has been more consistent IMO
 
No doubt Chez at his peak is leagues above Fogarty but on 2025 form I wouldnt give Chez a clear win.

He has had some good games but plenty that were fairly average.

Fogarty whilst maybe not having the peaks has been more consistent IMO
And a better consistency from the #7 is what this team needs. I don't expect much brilliance from him, in fact id prefer he do the job im hoping he will do and somewhat go unnoticed, as the stars are able to shine more elsewhere.
 
I agree there’s been no overt messiah references but I think people are letting their distaste for DCE as a person, cloud their judgement on his footballing ability.

He’s clearly in another league to Jamal Fogarty. I don’t have to list the comparative accolades to make my point. He’s so far ahead of Fog it’s not funny.

I’m holding out a bit of hope that Fog’s control will be a good thing for our game plan but I don’t think that’s a fait accompli like Many suggest.

Fingers crossed.
I’ll take what you say with a grain of salt, as I’ve noticed over the years you’re a pretty avid pro-DCE fan on here. But I still want to put these stats out there for everyone else to see, because they clearly dispel the idea that DCE is “so far ahead it’s not funny.”

Fogarty is the halfback of the team that just won the minor premiership, while Manly finished 10th — captained by yours truly, DCE. The numbers speak for themselves:
CategoryFogarty DCE
Tries25
Try Assists2321
Line Break Assists1516
Forced Drop Outs2118
40/20s13
Average Kicking Metres485.1415.4
Line Breaks25
Tackle Breaks1935
Total Tackles530415
Avg Tackles/Game23.018.0
Tackle Efficiency89.2%90.2%
Missed Tackles6445
Errors2216

On top of that, DCE is 36 and only going to decline from here, whereas Fogarty is 31, in the peak form of his career and still improving.

The key difference between them is the style of halfback. Fogarty isn’t flashy, but that’s exactly why he’s been so valuable for Canberra this season — he’s consistent, reliable and keeps a steady head. He doesn’t get rattled or spooked and try to pull off low-percentage “hero” plays. He sticks to his role, controls the game, and gives the real strike players around him like Strange, Young and Weekes the platform to dominate.

And that’s exactly what Manly need. With guys like Tom and Koula in our team, our go-to players who need early ball and space, a composed halfback running the show makes all the difference. Fogarty gives you that balance and doesn’t overplay his hand.

I also genuinely believe Fogarty is the one who will finally unlock Haumole. For years he’s been getting the ball flat-footed from DCE and forced to do everything himself. Fogarty actually plays to his forwards, knows how to put a big edge runner through a hole, and that’s going to make a huge difference.

Not to mention, after 15 years in first grade, DCE still can’t execute a proper cross-field kick for a 6’7 winger like Saab. That’s the sort of basic play you expect from a first grade halfback — something other quality No.7s like Sam Walker do consistently every week. Fogarty’s arrival can fix that.

There are also plenty of attributes to Fogarty’s game that don’t show up in stats but will have a noticeable impact on the way we play next year. As others have said, he’s not a match-winning or game-breaking halfback with freakish natural talent like a Cleary or Moses. But for under $700k a season, he’s about as good as you’ll get — and he plays the complete opposite style of game to DCE, which, let’s be honest, hasn’t worked for us for the last 15 years. So why not try something new?

For 2026, Fogarty is exactly the halfback we need — steady, controlled, and the perfect foil for the strike weapons around him. Like many others on here have previously stated, I agree that it is going to be so refreshing and exciting to watch a DCE-less Manly team in 2026. Most of all, I am relieved I won’t have to watch another one of those painful second-tackle kicks that swing the momentum back in favour of the opposition when we are in front or on the attack, or a botched short drop-out attempt as he still hasn’t figured out which side to kick the ball to.
 
I’ll take what you say with a grain of salt, as I’ve noticed over the years you’re a pretty avid pro-DCE fan on here. But I still want to put these stats out there for everyone else to see, because they clearly dispel the idea that DCE is “so far ahead it’s not funny.”

Fogarty is the halfback of the team that just won the minor premiership, while Manly finished 10th — captained by yours truly, DCE. The numbers speak for themselves:
CategoryFogartyDCE
Tries25
Try Assists2321
Line Break Assists1516
Forced Drop Outs2118
40/20s13
Average Kicking Metres485.1415.4
Line Breaks25
Tackle Breaks1935
Total Tackles530415
Avg Tackles/Game23.018.0
Tackle Efficiency89.2%90.2%
Missed Tackles6445
Errors2216

On top of that, DCE is 36 and only going to decline from here, whereas Fogarty is 31, in the peak form of his career and still improving.

The key difference between them is the style of halfback. Fogarty isn’t flashy, but that’s exactly why he’s been so valuable for Canberra this season — he’s consistent, reliable and keeps a steady head. He doesn’t get rattled or spooked and try to pull off low-percentage “hero” plays. He sticks to his role, controls the game, and gives the real strike players around him like Strange, Young and Weekes the platform to dominate.

And that’s exactly what Manly need. With guys like Tom and Koula in our team, our go-to players who need early ball and space, a composed halfback running the show makes all the difference. Fogarty gives you that balance and doesn’t overplay his hand.

I also genuinely believe Fogarty is the one who will finally unlock Haumole. For years he’s been getting the ball flat-footed from DCE and forced to do everything himself. Fogarty actually plays to his forwards, knows how to put a big edge runner through a hole, and that’s going to make a huge difference.

Not to mention, after 15 years in first grade, DCE still can’t execute a proper cross-field kick for a 6’7 winger like Saab. That’s the sort of basic play you expect from a first grade halfback — something other quality No.7s like Sam Walker do consistently every week. Fogarty’s arrival can fix that.

There are also plenty of attributes to Fogarty’s game that don’t show up in stats but will have a noticeable impact on the way we play next year. As others have said, he’s not a match-winning or game-breaking halfback with freakish natural talent like a Cleary or Moses. But for under $700k a season, he’s about as good as you’ll get — and he plays the complete opposite style of game to DCE, which, let’s be honest, hasn’t worked for us for the last 15 years. So why not try something new?

For 2026, Fogarty is exactly the halfback we need — steady, controlled, and the perfect foil for the strike weapons around him. Like many others on here have previously stated, I agree that it is going to be so refreshing and exciting to watch a DCE-less Manly team in 2026. Most of all, I am relieved I won’t have to watch another one of those painful second-tackle kicks that swing the momentum back in favour of the opposition when we are in front or on the attack, or a botched short drop-out attempt as he still hasn’t figured out which side to kick the ball to.
Doesn’t get rattled? He went missing in Mudgee with the game on the line and again on the weekend. Also, those stats are weighed slightly in Daly’s favour if you tally them all up. If anything, achieving similar statistical feats in a beaten side, is more remarkable than doing so in a successful side. It’s easier to have success when success is around you. Most players have their best seasons when their team is firing. My guess is DCE would thrive behind that superior Raiders pack. But it’s all hypothetical so does not really matter what I think.

Interestingly, a few people have jumped to the defence of Fog after my appraisal of his game on the weekend (particularly where speed and defence is concerned, but seems a couple of league experts agree: Cronk calls out Ricky Stuart's massive mistake that played into Reece Walsh's hands

Cronk and Johns both pointed out the failure of Canberra's right-side defence in shutting Walsh and the Broncos down. Johns said: "You could see that right side defence with Fogarty and Timoko, they were really struggling together in combination."

Champion former halfback Cronk said Walsh and the Broncos clearly identified Canberra's No.7 as the opposition player to target when they attacked down the left. "Fogarty couldn't move with the speed of Reece Walsh to make it three on three, that's what made the indecision for (Jed) Stuart."
 
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Yeah I totally agree, but getting the best one available doesn't translate to 'better' than what we already had. So yes, glad we were able to sign Fog but not expecting him to elevate us beyond where we were under DCE.
Only a hard working, hard running dominant forward pack will elevated us to play finals. We've only had that sporadically over the last decade.
 
Yeah I totally agree, but getting the best one available doesn't translate to 'better' than what we already had. So yes, glad we were able to sign Fog but not expecting him to elevate us beyond where we were under DCE.

He may not elevate us beyond where we are now.
He may though.

One think I do know, we've been doing the same thing for over a decade with little to no success...I'm sure there's a saying about that.

Most punters are just happy for a change, any change, to see if the grass really is greener.
 
I don’t won’t to get into any arguments with anyone about DcE v Fog however the big part for me stands outside the stats, Dollar was Dollar and 15 years is too long especially when the results weren’t following, our game had stalled under his leadership.

For me it’s his personality, his air of arrogance, his inability to bond the team, he was seemingly never held to account, never owned his own poor performances, the lack of putting his body on the line, sure you don’t expect your play maker to slay himself, but Dollar put himself before the team too many times.

The overall effect is a silent one, his the captain and your primary play maker (should of been our game manager) the man the team looked up too, for me he didn’t have that quality, even the QLD origin greats new he was a polarising character and couldn’t warm to him, his leadership qualities, not just as a captain, but as your marquee man, just failed for me, the way he went about this year confirmed a lot about the man he is, anyway I’m not overly excited about Fog, but like others I welcome him and look forward to a fresh start, with a game managing half, no doubt he’ll be vastly different to dollar and I think it will be like a breath of fresh air for the squad.
 
He may not elevate us beyond where we are now.
He may though.

One think I do know, we've been doing the same thing for over a decade with little to no success...I'm sure there's a saying about that.

Most punters are just happy for a change, any change, to see if the grass really is greener.
I really hope so. I’m not against his signing; I think decent 5th tackle options are imperative to success. However, I don’t see him as this great upgrade that’s suddenly going to transform our fortunes. I’m hoping he is, but I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch.
 
I can remember saab getting run down by a forward a couple of seasons ago, its all about the angles. The fog is no speedster but is not slow either. More importantly he is quicker between the ears than larry long neck.
That was Damien Cook when he was playing for the Bunnies a few seasons ago
You are right with angles in this one but Cook of course was and probably still is no slouch in the speed department , especially over a short distance
Recall in any earlier year game however where Manise Fainu pulled away from Cook but Manise was deceptively elusive at his best back in the day
 
That was Damien Cook when he was playing for the Bunnies a few seasons ago
You are right with angles in this one but Cook of course was and probably still is no slouch in the speed department , especially over a short distance
Recall in any earlier year game however where Manise Fainu pulled away from Cook but Manise was deceptively elusive at his best back in the day

You do realise Cook was a beach sprinter...

A BEACH SPRINTER!!!!
 
I really hope so. I’m not against his signing; I think decent 5th tackle options are imperative to success. However, I don’t see him as this great upgrade that’s suddenly going to transform our fortunes. I’m hoping he is, but I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch.
I don't think he's necessarily an upgrade. With a caveat.

From Raiders fans, I've heard two main thoughts.

The first one is that Fogarty has never really stood out all that much before this year, but he had been consistent. Remember, Fogarty has made 4/6 finals series since becoming a first grader. That's a better record than us, at any point in the past decade. The second thing I've heard from them, is that this year, he has been impeccable in everything besides closing a game out.

Meanwhile, DCE has had his hands over Manly and our game plans for the past 15 seasons. For better at times, but also for worse. This year, it was almost certainly for the worse, besides a few games.

I see us getting someone who is more consistent, whilst being far less explosive.

At Fogarty's worst, he'll bring a great kicking game, service his outside backs and forwards well enough, whilst defending poorly when he is targeted (so no change to DCE), and not being able to close out a tied game.

At his best, we get someone with a near-perfect kicking game, excellent game management, a good defender on most days, whilst not being able to close out a tied game.

That difference in form is not extensive.

Compare it to DCE.

At DCE's worst, we get someone who kicks it dead on the 2nd tackle, has absolutely zero idea about game management, throws flat balls at Garrick's head, runs out of the line hence similarly selling out Garrick or whoever the centre is, but who can still kick a perfect field goal or 40/20.

Meanwhile, at his best, he is one of the greatest halfbacks of all time. Not even a question.

Whilst DCE's highs are extremely high, he is massively inconsistent. DCE's bizzare swings in form, both week-to-week and year-to-year are a major reason for our record over the past decade. As many have said, he's never been "the guy", until the game is on the line. He's needed Foran in the seasons where we have struggled.

Meanwhile, we also have Tom Trbojevic on $1.3 million. He's managed to be more inconsistent than DCE, and often has taken the focus off him. If he plays like he did for most of this year, he will be our weakest link next year. Jake is also massively overpaid, although I don't think anyone was ever expecting him to drag us out of our struggles. I don't blame him for a stupid contract.

I hope the less erratic nature of Fogarty allows Brooks to focus on his strengths. Brooks was very good, until DCE fell into poor form and forgot about game management. When Brooks is thinking about game management, something has gone wrong. Fogarty may correct this, and allow Brooks to focus on his strengths.

Basically, we're trading in x-factor for consistency. There is no point in having someone who will win you a grand final, if you can't even make the finals at all.

In the future, if we do make a GF, Fogarty won't be the most important player for us, like he is for the Raiders. Tom Trbojevic will be. That's a different can of worms.
 
I don’t won’t to get into any arguments with anyone about DcE v Fog however the big part for me stands outside the stats, Dollar was Dollar and 15 years is too long especially when the results weren’t following, our game had stalled under his leadership.

For me it’s his personality, his air of arrogance, his inability to bond the team, he was seemingly never held to account, never owned his own poor performances, the lack of putting his body on the line, sure you don’t expect your play maker to slay himself, but Dollar put himself before the team too many times.

The overall effect is a silent one, his the captain and your primary play maker (should of been our game manager) the man the team looked up too, for me he didn’t have that quality, even the QLD origin greats new he was a polarising character and couldn’t warm to him, his leadership qualities, not just as a captain, but as your marquee man, just failed for me, the way he went about this year confirmed a lot about the man he is, anyway I’m not overly excited about Fog, but like others I welcome him and look forward to a fresh start, with a game managing half, no doubt he’ll be vastly different to dollar and I think it will be like a breath of fresh air for the squad.
Value for money will still be the most pertinent aspect with D C E for me and falling well short in the general sense .
Well at 1 . 2 mil over 8 years and even at one mil for a couple , and again , highest paid player in the comp for most of that 8 year contract duration
Some or a few excellent patches and a couple of seasons there when he did go quite well overall but still considerably in the minority over the long term and with the number of average to very ordinary games

Anyway , encountering the same problem now with Jake and obviously Turbo for many seasons now but some distinction there in terms of offering or largely offering regularly , more whole hearted and committed efforts even allowing for some restrictions
Not the only club or will be in the future to experience similar disadvantages but certainly makes it difficult to reach a maximum competitive level and title opportunities and definitely in the D C E instance
 
You do realise Cook was a beach sprinter...

A BEACH SPRINTER!!!!
Yeah , i was aware of that
Not sure of the sarcasm level there if any and might have lost a bit of speed over the years but take your point , definitely not in the slow poke category
Hopeful of the Pies maybe taking out the Big One in the A F L this year , ?
Personally rate them no better then 50 / 50 right now but still have to be in with a decent shot
 

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