JWH signs with Rorters

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Ryan link said:
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The new club-whore of the NRL. A Gary Freeman in the making. He'll be playing for The Chief's in 2013.

Get over it Ryan, he's gone. Did we not do the same with T Williams?
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Dude, JWH went from club to club to club in Union. He's now going to his 2nd club in 3 years at NRL level.

Tony Williams has gone from Parramatta to Manly.

There is a difference.

This game needs more players like Beaver, Hindmarsh, Lockyer, Creagh, Simpson and co.

I love all players that play for Manly Swoop, BUT, I will always respect the one club players more. Even over Tony Williams, JWH & co.

So to answer your question - "Did we not do the same with T Williams?"
Yes mate, we did. And I don't like it tbh.

David Williams you can understand because he was told he was surplus to requirements there. Lyon was a unique case.
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Club to club?  I thought he played with Norths in Rugby and that was it?  He was only 18 when he was playing firsts at Norths so I dont think he would have much time to change around too many clubs. 
 
So if someone came to you and offered you
- More money
- More opportunity to do what you want to do (play first grade for JWH)
- In the understanding your career could be over as quickly it started (a NRL player has 13 years max then what)

You would knock it back?

I love loyalty but at the end of the day this is a job for these boys. You cannot blame someone for taking extra $ and more opportunity to play first grade

We would all do the same with our work
 
spot on LSZ.

Good luck to JWH, The roosters threw money at him, that we simply cannot afford. I think they will offload Big willie soon and have more money to throw.

Hope JWH wins a premiership with our TC team.

To be honest. I don't think JWH is ready for NRL for another year. So he can get some experience with the Roosters then once he realises how great our club is, he'll come back to the eagles with 40 NRL games under his belt and learnt front row skills under Artie Beetson, Ogre n co.. 
 
Speak for yourself Isz (and I acknowledge that plenty of others think the same). I have been offered more money and opps elsewhere in the past and still stayed with my employer. There are plenty of other factors - how good your employer has been to you, working environment, people, job security etc.

Generally, if someone offers you a heap more it is because there are negatives about their business or the role that requires them to pay "overs". JWH has been overpaid for the last two years and he will now be overpaid again. It's a good result for him and his manager financially. Basically he's willing to take the gamble (& so are Easts).

It just annoys me when people say "you'd do the same thing".

Anyway, I wish you all the worst JWH.
 
Me too Bradza. Bankwest offered me a fair bit to jump ship. I personally believed Nab had more opportunity, more job security, and other positive factors that influenced me decision.

If everyone thought the way the guys have mentioned above, there would be no Beaver's, Toovey's & co.

In the past two years, The Roosters have bought two Poms, who have then been released. Willie Mason who they are looking to release. Mark O'Meley who they are looking to drop. 
 
Ryan link said:
Me too Bradza. Bankwest offered me a fair bit to jump ship. I personally believed Nab had more opportunity, more job security, and other positive factors that influenced me decision.

If everyone thought the way the guys have mentioned above, there would be no Beaver's, Toovey's & co.

In the past two years, The Roosters have bought two Poms, who have then been released. Willie Mason who they are looking to release. Mark O'Meley who they are looking to drop. 

Maybe JWH might think there's more opportunity at the roosters? And it's a little different when playing professional sport where you only have a relatively short time to make the most of it.

Beaver stayed loyal and I applaud that, but I bet Beaver's contracts were never less than 250k per year.
 
Ahhh, the old "they only have a short time in the game" reasoning. So what do they do when their playing days are over - live off their footy earnings for ever? No, they have to get a job like everyone else to support themselves and their families for the next 30 years of their life. If that means starting down the pecking order or getting themselves trained up first then so be it.

I'm sure that JWH has made a reasoned decision and I don't know the bloke, I just get peeved when comments are made (eg: Manly gave me my opportunity etc) when the skeptic in me feels it is 99% a $ based decision. I don't think Gen Y gives much weight to the non $ and non status type factors, an attitude that will hopefully be modified through the current economic cycle.
It doesn't help that it's the bloody rorters either !!!
 
meh, as much as people like to talk as if they follow the high road, lets be honest here, money makes the world go round. There is a vast difference between say JWH getting $400- 500k and getting 600K.

We are not talking about 10k here or there or even up to 50k, we are talking about significantly more money than we would be offered and if you got offered more money at 19 or however old he is before you knew about loyalty and job security and the world, I dare say 99% of the populace would take it, and why not. He can go play out his contract, and if he is smart and has a good financial adviser can use a good portion of his contract money to set himself up a bit better for the future. If he can get 5 - 10 years at 200k plus a season, he should be able to sort out his life. If he is smart.

I dont blame him for leaving at all, its his choice and he can live or die by it
 
Bradza link said:
Ahhh, the old \"they only have a short time in the game\" reasoning. So what do they do when their playing days are over - live off their footy earnings for ever? No, they have to get a job like everyone else to support themselves and their families for the next 30 years of their life. If that means starting down the pecking order or getting themselves trained up first then so be it.

I'm sure that JWH has made a reasoned decision and I don't know the bloke, I just get peeved when comments are made (eg: Manly gave me my opportunity etc) when the skeptic in me feels it is 99% a $ based decision. I don't think Gen Y gives much weight to the non $ and non status type factors, an attitude that will hopefully be modified through the current economic cycle.
It doesn't help that it's the bloody rorters either !!!

Yes, they'll have to get a job. But do you seriously think half or more of these footballers have or will ever have qualfications to earn what they're earning now?
 
I love the loyal players but really I can't blame blokes for chasing dollars. I work for thiess and if ABI group or someone came over and offered me an extra 50k a year... who the hell wouldn't take it up.

It gives me more loyalty to my family... means I can live more comfortably and set up my kids/help out my olds if they strike hard times down the track. I think most blokes that jump ship only do so because they see the oppurtunity to help out those close to them a bit more. I don't blame them for that. But, if your more than comfortable already where you are and everything is going sweet around you well there isn't much point to jump ship.
 
Nutz, the more you end the more you spend though :)

Personally I wouldn't jump just for more money but conditions have to suit. If I could continue working from home I would jump for an extra 50K, but if I had to move to Sydney again it would take more than 50k a year to make the move worth it
 
The big difference is that our careers are 30 plus years. During that time (provided you perform decently) your wage will always increase plus there is some chance of job security

At the end of his career chances are JWH will have
- No education to fall back on (having started early and been focused on sport)
- Zero chance of earning a similar amount again unless he ends up in the media etc

Tie it in with no real choice over when he will finish playing (most likely it be decided by clubs or injuries) you can not begrudge the guy taking the extra money...not to mention the opportunity to play first grade

To end the rant I love one club guys as much as the next guy but in this day and age, of salary caps and increased commercialism, the Toov’s and beavers of the world will be the exception rather than the norm
 
Dan link said:
Nutz, the more you end the more you spend though :)

Personally I wouldn't jump just for more money but conditions have to suit. If I could continue working from home I would jump for an extra 50K, but if I had to move to Sydney again it would take more than 50k a year to make the move worth it

Well, obviously and in JWH's case... he's earning more money... getting an oppurtunity and it's not far from where he would be living now.
 
lsz link said:
The big difference is that our careers are 30 plus years. During that time (provided you perform decently) your wage will always increase plus there is some chance of job security

At the end of his career chances are JWH will have
- No education to fall back on (having started early and been focused on sport)
- Zero chance of earning a similar amount again unless he ends up in the media etc

Tie it in with no real choice over when he will finish playing (most likely it be decided by clubs or injuries) you can not begrudge the guy taking the extra money...not to mention the opportunity to play first grade

To end the rant I love one club guys as much as the next guy but in this day and age, of salary caps and increased commercialism, the Toov’s and beavers of the world will be the exception rather than the norm

I'd say one club players would have 1000% bigger chance to get a job in the local community in retirement than say a club whore.
 
'Club whore'.  Ryan, just how many players with Manly fit that bill?  Plenty.  Get a grip, it's a professional game.  The kids young and just how hard is it to get into our first grade side?  Very, is my opinion.  So if he can play first grade somewhere else, then he has the right to go.  And really, 'a job in the local community'?  If he has the requisite skills set he'll find work anywhere.  The reality is we don't mind players going off to ESL after a few years, but hate it when they go to other NRL clubs.  That's the issue and I don't like it either, but one has to live with it..   
 
Local community? What get a milk run? Work for the local blacksmith? Maybe get a plot of land they can tend?

When are you going to send JWH his white feather....

It sucks when we lose a player but to call them a club whore is a bit much (by your definition you should only have local juniors in your team, that is from your local area)
 

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