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[Corso_Pete]

[quote author=Garts]
I get what you are saying Ryan but I can also see it from the clubs perspective. Some on here have been highly critical of certain staff members at the club, I would not take to kindly if someone was giving my staff a hard time or being highly critical of how I went about my job on a public forum.

Dude - you should see what people say about "with total generalisation" people in my industry (banking), Sales industries, Real Estate, accountants, tax agents etc....it's not just The Eagles...they aren't an endangered species.

If all the Banks banned all the people critical of them or their systems, could you imagine how many stuffed mattresses there would be !!!
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When was the last time any of those professions ever admitted that their staff was either incompetent or at fault for a problem? The only notable one that I can recall was when the NAB sacked their FX dealers who had hoodwinked senior management. Publically, at least most companies will stand up for their employees.

For an organsiation to publically be critical of their employees would ultimatley reflect on the calibre and capabilities of management, because they ultimatley hold the power.

 

[Matabele]

So are you saying that Zorba is competent in his job Pete?

 

[Garts]

[quote author=Garts]
I get what you are saying Ryan but I can also see it from the clubs perspective. Some on here have been highly critical of certain staff members at the club, I would not take to kindly if someone was giving my staff a hard time or being highly critical of how I went about my job on a public forum.

Dude - you should see what people say about "with total generalisation" people in my industry (banking), Sales industries, Real Estate, accountants, tax agents etc....it's not just The Eagles...they aren't an endangered species.

If all the Banks banned all the people critical of them or their systems, could you imagine how many stuffed mattresses there would be !!!
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as you said Ryan, that is "with total generalisation", some of the criticism I am talking about is directly about employees of the club so it is totally different.

you got a little upset a few weeks back by a comment Pete made about yourself or your profession, I cant remember exactly what it was regarding but I have seen much worse directed at the clubs staff on this and other forums.

what do people say about Accountants? We are all cool 8)

 

[Corso_Pete]

So are you saying that Zorba is competent in his job Pete?

I am in no position to comment, and I would expect that unless you had an intimate knowledge of Peters' KPI's others who have commented on his performance are making that judgement based on an emotional view rather than a practical view.

In Peters' role as Team Manager I have neither heard of or seen of any problems with our team, particulary when travelling. Compare that to the performance of several other NRL teams. When you compare the performance recently of Brad Clyde, team manager at the Bulldogs with the Corey Hughes incident at the races earlier this year when he was first fined $10K, then had the fine suspended and finally a new hearing is to be held I am pleased that we have least have an experienced manager.

As far as his media releases, I am not to fussed about a missed comma or fullstop or misspelt word, As long as the message is clear that is all I ask for. He has a high media profile and like any other person who is carries such a profile he will fragment opinion, some of his his critics may have good reason, others may well be jealous.

It is interesting to read the many , usually derogratory comments that surround Danny Weidler, he gives an opinion and he does know how to find a headline. As a mere punter that loves the NRL I have no problem with Weidler, he at least has the balls to stand in front of microphone and camera and expouse his view, just as Peters' has done and I suspect will do in the future. I haven't seen to many negative headlines about Manly, as a media manager (ie spin doctor) I would think that may well mean that he has done his job in a reasonable manner.

That's my view from the outside, if others disagree that's fine, but I would be most interested to read their factual comments rather than second hand or personal opinion.

 

[Matabele]

I'm just basing my comments on the opinions expressed to me from many of the people that are Peters' clients - the media.

 

[Corso_Pete]

I'm just basing my comments on the opinions expressed to me from many of the people that are Peters' clients - the media.

The problem with that response Matabele is that we do not know the reason for that perception by certain sections of the media.

The media is an extremley competitive industry, much more than mine yet I I will never tell a a client that a competitor in my industry can manage a certain job better than my firm but I will be damm quick to tell them that my so called competitor has several flaws, every which one I would only be too happy to expand on, sadly its the nature of business, and whilst I have never worked in the media I am not so naive to think that professional jealousies do not exist.

Peter Peters has a media profile that has been hard won, it is just so Australian to shoot tall poppies and from the relative anomnity of a forum it is even easier than shooting ducks at a sideshow alley.

 

[Nutzcraw]

philly fan here!!!


Wearing the jersey now

GO Mcnabb and T.O!!!

 

[Dan]

**** pete who really cares?

 

[byso]

**** pete who really cares?

Predictable

 

[The Wheel]

I think you could say the NAB doesn't 'villify' anyone who is critical of them either, particualry shareholders (or in Manly's case members).

As for Zorba, you are right he does have a high Media profile but that is more around his radio job than his role as team manager. Also I don't think the club was seen in a postive light over the last couple of years if the consider the publicity around Monasgate, Hoppa, Andrew Walker etc.

The overall team's behaviour has been good but is that more to do with the security company the club employs to shadow the team or Zorba?

 

[Matabele]

Is Manly the only NRL club with a part time media person who also has a conflict of interest?

It's a no-brainer really.

 

[Corso_Pete]

I think you could say the NAB doesn't 'villify' anyone who is critical of them either, particualry shareholders (or in Manly's case members).

As for Zorba, you are right he does have a high Media profile but that is more around his radio job than his role as team manager. Also I don't think the club was seen in a postive light over the last couple of years if the consider the publicity around Monasgate, Hoppa, Andrew Walker etc.

The overall team's behaviour has been good but is that more to do with the security company the club employs to shadow the team or Zorba?

I probably didn't explain myself as well as I could have. In the Walker & Hoppa issues I thought the Manly club (ie Peters) handled the media side of it well. The actions of those were outside of what could have been controlled by Peters, but the action and press commets were all quick and decisive and therefore limited the media's opportunity to feed on their rotting carcassses. As for Monasgate that would appear to have been played a higher level than Peters. WE do not know what counsel he provided to the management team in the public handling of it. Just my view but much of the media stuff was shooting straght from the hip until such time as the press conference where Monas & Manly publically apologised to each other over their actions. It would seem to me that Peters only public involvement in Monnasgate was the media conference, but by then the damage had been done.

As for NAB not villyfiying their shareholders that may not be done in public, but............

 

[Matabele]

Are you choosing to not answer my question Pete?

 

[Corso_Pete]

Are you choosing to not answer my question Pete?

Definintley not, but if I do not know the (factual) answer to your question I guess my answer will be "I do not know"

 

[Ryan]

Matabele said: "Are you choosing to not answer my question Pete?"

It's easy for the guy that way.


Corso Pete said: "I am in no position to comment, and I would expect that unless you had an intimate knowledge of Peters' KPI's others who have commented on his performance are making that judgement based on an emotional view rather than a practical view."

You have just opennly and brazenly labelled yourself a hypocrite in the highest degree on this open forum. What is it you attempt poorly to do to me again? LoL.

Corso Pete said: "The media is an extremley competitive industry, much more than mine yet I I will never tell a a client that a competitor in my industry can manage a certain job better than my firm but I will be damm quick to tell them that my so called competitor has several flaws, every which one I would only be too happy to expand on, sadly its the nature of business, and whilst I have never worked in the media I am not so naive to think that professional jealousies do not exist.

LOOOOL. You can only advise clients in any industry that you would work for what YOUR company can offer. Pointing out other companies or products flaws are are against the law you goose. Is that what your company promotes. Please endear us all with your companies name Corso Pete..
You will notice in any media advertisement that competes with a competitor, can only advise that this brand has X. We have Y. They never say their product is better...possibly lasts longer etc, but not better. I cannot believe your company points out flaws of competitors....let us know who they are, so we can tell them you elaborate on their flaws.

It's not nice is it Corso. You see, I don't breach privacy laws like you suggest I may, but you have opennly admitted that you tell prospective clients poor happennings at other companies.

Man oh Man.

 

[Garts]

many companies I have dealt with have pointed out competitors flaws, im pretty sure a bank has told me the some!!!!

may be illegal but when does that stop people doing these sorts of things? IMO it is pretty naive to think it is not a commen occurance.

 

[Garts]

many companies I have dealt with have pointed out competitors flaws, im pretty sure a bank has told me some!!!!

may be illegal but when does that stop people doing these sorts of things? IMO it is pretty naive to think it is not a commen occurance.

 

[Ryan]

Garts -

Not here my friend !!! I have no authority to speak about / sell / put off anyone from anybody elses products.

Example:-

I would like to know about what our competitors are doing in insurance, so I can cross sell the Banks in comparison to someone elses. Nope - I can't. I don't have any authority from any other company to discuss their products / services in anyway. It's unethical, and moreso, illegal. I am not a specialist in their products. Do we know all the terms and conditions or benefits (even small print ones) of anyone elses company - no.

The only thing we are allowed to do by law, is advise what products / services WE (no matter what company) has available.

If they want to go to a competitor to see if an other product is equivalent or better, that is the customers perogative.

Who are we to defame another companies flaws with their services or products.

Do you ever hear MMM say they are better than JJJ because JJJ doesn't measure up here or there? Nope. What you CAN here is MMM say they have a certain percentage of the populace listenning to them.

See what I'm saying mate?

 

[Garts]

I understand what you are saying , and I know you would be heavily regulated being in the particualar industry you are in.

I remember meeting with a banker and I was sure they breached what you are saying but I cant be 100% sure after reading your post now, I am now doubting my memory.

it definately goes on within other industries from my experience, IMO its not good to give your competitor a good and proper bagging but pointing out their weaknesses to gain a competitive advantage is not uncommen.

 

[Ryan]

I just wouldn't do it. Imagine they went to that competitor and said, "Oh, X says you can't do this or that" (they may not be able to do it on the surface, but can get authority to do it off a senior officer or something), and X was wrong.

Not only would X be legally held accountable, but X's company would also be held accountable.

I aint putting my family at risk for something like that!! The laws are made to protect all parties, and if Corso wants to run the guantlet like he says he does, then that's his perogative - he should take heed IN MY OPINION, and maybe change that practice.

In relation to all the above "I" have said, I don't know Petes industry, and my comments are made generally. If his industry is regulated in a way (in his words) "I will be damm quick to tell them that my so called competitor has several flaws, every which one I would only be too happy to expand on", that allows this kind of thing, then obviously my comments are not applicable, and retracted.