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[Brookie1973]

Well ... would you be satisfied if I said, "Go and google 'trump rhetoric leads to political violence'?

No you wouldn't, and rightly so!

I'm left to assume you have this view yet you can't think of a single example to back up your view. So how did you form the view in the first place? Was it from hearing someone else's opinion that he was divisive? If so, do you really think that is a solid factual basis for your view?

Anyway I've little interest in defending Obama, but I do strongly disagree with blaming current political violence in the US on the "radical left".

Which is what Trump did yesterday in his comments on the assassination. Don't you think that kind of blaming is only likely to lead to more violence? I can't see how it lowers the temperature or tones down the rhetoric at all.

So, because I can’t be bothered retyping something rather than copying links to suit your preferred method of interaction, my arguments have no validity? That makes a lot of sense. Just for the hell if it, attached are some examples of divisive Obama statements from Marco Rubio. Will that suffice, or do you need actual audio tapes of Obamas voice?

Back to the big picture, my position is that the fracturing of political discourse in America started with the Obama presidency and the denigration/demonisation of conservatives, and what we now see playing out is the ugly consequence of that. If you don’t believe that conservatives have been increasingly vilified by the political left from the time Obama took office, then nothing I say will make any difference. You do remember the Trump assassination attempt right?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038390674884907008

 

[Brookie1973]

The only thing that the Liberal party in Vic and NSW are demonstrating is a fondness to follow in Labors footsteps.

Exactly. Apparently civil political discourse means just agreeing with us, which also means you will never return to office as you have failed to provide the electorate with a viable alternative. And it’s not just NSW and Victoria, it’s National as well.

 

[Eagle 1]

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/making-everyone-famous-rightwingers-go-after-people-celebrating-charlie-kirks-death/news-story/91c34744f2f700249690ebec24d471f3

The twisted reactions by the left aren't surprising, it's what they do best.

 

[Brookie1973]

The twisted reactions by the left aren't surprising, it's what they do best.

So much tolerance and compassion.

 

[lsz]

Oh well so much for this thread then!

 

[manlyfan76]

So the suspect is a maga guy, follows white supremist"s nick funtes
And reposts Laura lumers posts.

Very far from left leaning.

 

[Brookie1973]

 

[Brookie1973]

So the suspect is a maga guy, follows white supremist"s nick funtes
And reposts Laura lumers posts.

Very far from left leaning.

I thought we weren’t allowed to jump to conclusions?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Just for the hell if it, attached are some examples of divisive Obama statements from Marco Rubio. Will that suffice, or do you need actual audio tapes of Obamas voice?

No, it doesn't really suffice to support your view that political debate has been fatally compromised by violent leftist rhetoric and divisiveness that had its origins in the Obama presidency.

I'm assuming you mean rhetoric by Obama or at least his supporters?

But I actually agree with you that there was probably a significant escalation in divisiveness and hateful rhetoric during that time but I've assumed it was mostly from conservatives aghast that a black man with a foreign sounding name could actually be elected to the top job. To be expected, because the US (like Australia) still has a strong racist element in its culture (in both countries, due to their history).

You might have heard of this sort of stuff? (3 examples from Wiki)

-In August 2010, a Pew Research poll showed that 18% of Americans and 30% of Republicans believed that Obama is secretly a Muslim

-Margie Phelps, daughter of Westboro Baptist Church founder Fred Phelps, said in a 2011 interview with Fox News that Barack Obama would "absolutely" be going to Hell and that he was "most likely the Beast spoken of in the Revelation." She also said Obama's presidency was a sign of the Apocalypse

-‘Birther’ controversy- The movement falsely asserted Obama was ineligible to be President of the United States because he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States as required by Article Two of the Constitution. Studies have found these birther conspiracy theories to be most firmly held by Republicans strong in both political knowledge and racial resentment.

It's well-known that Trump was a leading figure pushing the birther conspiracy, and, to this day, often pauses and puts emphasis on Obama's middle name, Hussein. How do you account for that, if not to play on people's racist fears?

So I raise these to dispute your claim of how divisive rhetoric began to escalate in the US.

Either way we'd both agree, surely, that it exists right now, so the question would be, should leaders play into it or consciously try to de-escalate. Agree?





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[The '47ers]

I thought we weren’t allowed to jump to conclusions?

Is he the "Megaphone Guy" that some thought was him. He'd had a debate with Charlie.

 

[manlyfan76]

Is there an updated version? Turns out the shooter yesterday had engraved messages about transgender issues into his ammunition. Safe to assume it was politically motivated.

Turns out to be "if you can read this you're gay" was inscribed.
Seems to be not something a lefty would say would you agree?

 

[Brookie1973]

No, it doesn't really suffice to support your view that political debate has been fatally compromised by violent leftist rhetoric and divisiveness that had its origins in the Obama presidency.

I'm assuming you mean rhetoric by Obama or at least his supporters?

But I actually agree with you that there was probably a significant escalation in divisiveness and hateful rhetoric during that time but I've assumed it was mostly from conservatives aghast that a black man with a foreign sounding name could actually be elected to the top job. To be expected, because the US (like Australia) still has a strong racist element in its culture (in both countries, due to their history).

You might have heard of this sort of stuff? (3 examples from Wiki)

-In August 2010, a Pew Research poll showed that 18% of Americans and 30% of Republicans believed that Obama is secretly a Muslim

-Margie Phelps, daughter of Westboro Baptist Church founder Fred Phelps, said in a 2011 interview with Fox News that Barack Obama would "absolutely" be going to Hell and that he was "most likely the Beast spoken of in the Revelation." She also said Obama's presidency was a sign of the Apocalypse

-‘Birther’ controversy- The movement falsely asserted Obama was ineligible to be President of the United States because he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States as required by Article Two of the Constitution. Studies have found these birther conspiracy theories to be most firmly held by Republicans strong in both political knowledge and racial resentment.

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It's well-known that Trump was a leading figure pushing the birther conspiracy, and, to this day, often pauses and puts emphasis on Obama's middle name, Hussein. How do you account for that, if not to play on people's racist fears?

So I raise these to dispute your claim of how divisive rhetoric began to escalate in the US.

Either way we'd both agree, surely, that it exists right now, so the question would be, should leaders play into it or consciously try to de-escalate. Agree?





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Before Obama - it was ok to be a conservative. After Obama - conservatives are racist bigots and most likely Nazis.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Before Obama - it was ok to be a conservative. After Obama - conservatives are racist bigots and most likely Nazis.

Hyperbole, However yes I think the increasing stresses on the capitalist system (GFC was around that time for example) probably brought a lot of undercurrent attitudes out into the open.

Much as increased refugee migration has brought out underlying racism in Europe.

And certain issues seen by some as fundamental - eg attacking womens right to abortion, promoting racism (or islamaphobia or anti-semitism etc) and increasingly also climate denial - are actually very difficult to debate dispassionately, because they directly impact some people (or in some cases all people) so strongly.

So on the topic of hateful rhetoric - where to now, do you say?

 

[Brookie1973]

Hyperbole, However yes I think the increasing stresses on the capitalist system (GFC was around that time for example) probably brought a lot of undercurrent attitudes out into the open.

Much as increased refugee migration has brought out underlying racism in Europe.

And certain issues seen by some as fundamental - eg attacking womens right to abortion, promoting racism (or islamaphobia or anti-semitism etc) and increasingly also climate denial - are actually very difficult to debate dispassionately, because they directly impact some people (or in some cases all people) so strongly.

So on the topic of hateful rhetoric - where to now, do you say?

Where to now? As I have said a few times before, western culture is in its death throes, driven by open borders, mass immigration (or if you prefer “refugee migration”) multiculturalism, intolerance of opposing thought and the demonisation of what were previously considered mainstream values (eg nationalism, freedom of speech). The global Marxist new world order is inevitable, post Trump.

 

[Brookie1973]

Cultural totalitarianism in the age of unreason. Seems about right.