Fair but I am not sold on many of the players being premiership quality. I know it is not the only guide but how many of non big 3 are seriously in contention for any rep honours? Ola is there abouts but not fully there...I love Paseka but at this stage he is not rep quality...same with Garrick, Saab, Tolo and Hoppa (who has a massive upside)
This is where we agree to disagree on being a couple of forwards short of a serious contender. Lets say you thought we were way off...would you want to rebuild?
It could look something like this in 2027 (Based on current signings through 2027 and development players coming through).
I think Choc coached the flegg side this year. Tooves i think has something to do with our junior development.
I thought he was coaching the Jersey Flagg team? I remember reading it when he was mentioning the progression of Joey Walsh. If he isn’t anymore I stand corrected. It would also mean more of these moneyball Issac Moses signings to continue smh
Cement, Spud, Tooves, Roberts to name a few tough ex Manly champions
Bring back Tooves for coach Choc as an Assistant coach ( we need an investigation ), that'll toughen any one up also both can be our defensive coach saving us more $$$cash for players.
To be fair on your comment rep quality and premiership quality is totally different. We're not playing as a team week in week out so it's not fair on players who's playing well when another is dropping balls & missing tackles. Big3 becomes big2 when1 is never on the field but when TT is fully fit, we can beat any team in the comp. Since DC$ announcement there's no big3 but U can't say we don't have good enough players in our team to play rep or in a premiership winning team. Imagine Cleary, Api, Haas, AFBlake running the show the rest will follow, score tries, look good, win comp and impress selectors. Look at the Pink Panthers a team of no name and now most become rep players, even some are not but become premiership winners. I think it's the coaches and staffs that's not giving the boys motivation and guidance to allow them to be who they can be. Bellamy/Des/Robinson wear their heart on the club and hate losing. Cleary/Bennett give the boys motivation speech each half and that's it. South was tip to be wooden spooners, Dogs got a rookie coach under Cleary, Sharks got Fitzgibbon under Bellamy and Raiders got Sticky who hates losing and who do we have, a coach who just sit there with no emotions at all trying to be Wayne Bennett.
And there are plenty of ex players , current players and even coaching staff who do rate him but my point was I think both Holbrook and Flanagan are a step up from siebs.
I think he wanted to know why you think Flanagan is a better coach. The Dragons look like they are going no where fast & he has had multiple people already walk out on the club since he has taken over. Fair enough he won a grand final but wasn’t that when they were cheating? If so that shouldn’t count toward his credentials as a coach
No. They had stopped the day before pre-season training, and didn’t recommence until the Sunday after winning the GF. 😒
Agreed….roosters definitely rate Holbrook and that’s why he is on good money
| Team | P | W | D | L | PD | Pts | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Bulldogs | 11 | 9 | 0 | 2 | 74 | 20 |
| 2 | Raiders | 12 | 9 | 0 | 3 | 70 | 18 |
| 3 | Warriors | 11 | 8 | 0 | 3 | -1 | 18 |
| 4 | Storm | 10 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 135 | 16 |
| 5 | Sharks | 12 | 7 | 0 | 5 | 44 | 14 |
| 6 | Rabbitohs | 11 | 6 | 0 | 5 | -52 | 14 |
| 7 | Cowboys | 10 | 4 | 1 | 5 | -32 | 13 |
| 8 | Broncos | 11 | 5 | 0 | 6 | 42 | 12 |
| 9 | Sea Eagles | 11 | 5 | 0 | 6 | 18 | 12 |
| 10 | Dragons | 10 | 4 | 0 | 6 | -11 | 12 |
| 11 | Roosters | 11 | 5 | 0 | 6 | -20 | 12 |
| 12 | Tigers | 11 | 5 | 0 | 6 | -54 | 12 |
| 13 | Dolphins | 12 | 5 | 0 | 7 | 42 | 10 |
| 14 | Knights | 11 | 4 | 0 | 7 | -55 | 10 |
| 15 | Eels | 11 | 4 | 0 | 7 | -79 | 10 |
| 16 | Titans | 10 | 3 | 0 | 7 | -100 | 10 |
| 17 | Panthers | 11 | 3 | 1 | 7 | -21 | 9 |
