Sack Seibold Immediately

[Nike]

Not a seibold fan but to be fair, we went with them up to the 55th Minute. A couple of bad errors could have been avoided (like Saab's dropped ball for their first try) or the forward pass to Rubes.. They played almost perfect. We started very well and were in the game at HT. I think Tommy Talua needs to come in for Saab who is error prone

Saab has more faults in his game than strengths, and he's not a bad player. Tommy Talau brings a different energy and grit in contrast to Saab who is almost a 'glamour' player.

I imagine the internal team cliques and close teammates Saab has somewhat influence his selection however, I think Talau brings more effort and makes the players around him look better too.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Wish Seibold could find a balance in a game plan

I’ve been lamenting all season how we haven’t been going through the middle, and just played side to side attacking footy that was easy for the opposition to set a game plan for.

Doing everything with the ball before earning the right too

Yesterday I liked the start and intent in defence and going up the guts with the ball, but at no point did we actually play any footy with the ball. 5 straight runs and a kicks isn’t going to trouble the defence either.

Earning the right to have a go, and doing nothing

See I actually think the problems started when we went away from the game plan and shifted when there was no opportunity. The two occasions that spring to mind were Hoppa pushing a pass for Saab (yes, there was space but no one there to catch the ball) and again pushing a pass to Koula who was well marked. On both occasions we turned the ball over cheaply and gave up good field position. You cannot do this or you tackle yourself into fatigue; therein lies the reason for Burton’s line break and Kiraz’ subsequent try. A fresh defence does not have its lock picked so easily.

We blinked first and paid the price. Grind, grind, grind. Win the game in the last 10-15 minutes and be happy with 14-12.

Those pushed passes are all part of the Dogs plan in defence. They frustrate teams into errors through line speed and contact. You gotta bash the door in and get on top.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

I fear we need a modern day version of Des Hasler if we are going to get anywhere near competing for a premiership. Who that person might be is anyone's guess.

As long as we can all agree that person is not Des Hasler. Des 3.0 would be the death of me.

 

[HoldenV8]

I voted no only because at this stage of the season it wouldn't achieve anything other than potentially derailing our season either further.

But IMO at seasons end, Seibold should be gone and the club should be searching for a new coach. As to who that will or should be.....TBH I have no idea because prospective first grade coaches who'd actually be any good seem to be as thin on the ground as our back row stocks.....

 

[Cliffycomeback]

As long as we can all agree that person is not Des Hasler. Des 3.0 would be the death of me.

No, I don't think a third reiteration of Des would work for a variety of reasons. But Desmond 1.0 is the prototype coach who might get us back up to the pointy end of the table despite our present disadvantages. A coach who bleeds maroon and white having also tasted success as a player. I like Ballin with the right support. He is doing a coaching apprenticeship and is a renowned fitness freak and two time premiership winner the same as Des. I think he might be worth a crack.

If not an ex Manly player then I don't hate the idea of Michael Ennis getting a shot if he was serious about being a coach. He has a good footy brain and I respect anyone prepared to trade a cushy Fox seat for an NRL coaches hot seat. Ennis was an annoying grub as a player. He was a real competitor who hated losing and was prepared to overstep the mark to gain his side an advantage. I think he has the attributes to be a successful long term NRL coach.

 

[bringbackbeaver]

Agree with most of what you say. However, TT2 would not have scored the try that Saab did. He has nowhere near the pace.

Agree with you on the try comment but I reckon TT2 would have swallowed that kick that Saab dropped.

 

[HoldenV8]

The problem is that if Seibold is sacked before the end of the season, who is out there that can step in and at the very least....do no worse??

Demetriou?? Sure he's probably available, but he also did nothing with Souths in their post-2021 GF seasons so its questionable if he could do anything at Manly.

Ennis?? Please don't make me laugh, or cry, or both. Actually, laughing is OK, but Ennis getting the head coaching job at Manly would be a joke. THEN we'd officially be a basket case.

Brad Arthur is probably the most likely candidate and honestly, its not something I'd be enthused about. In his favour is that he's been here before (2013 as Toovey's assistant for those who like me struggle to remember him being here). In 10½ years at Parramatta he took them to a Grand Final, 4 Semi-Finals, and a wooden spoon in 2018 (the one that saved Manly from getting the spoon under Barrett who ironically replaced Arthur at Parramatta.....).

And if you want someone who has played for Manly, there is Matt Ballin, but I should remind of his failure as Blacktown coach in 2021 (16 games, 4 wins, 8 losses, 4 draws).

It would be nice to bring Ivan Cleary home, but there is about as much chance of that as there is of me winning Le Mans.....

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I see there’s a call from fans to sack Maguire from the Broncos now as he’s been unable to get his star studded team into the top 4.

It just never stops does it , unless you have Bellamy or Cleary most club fans want their coaches sacked.

**** me , who’d be a coach.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I think the real big difference is that Ciraldo was able to (somewhat) create the team he wanted and then given the time to do it via space on the park and no rubbish "premiership window" talk (yet)

From what I could see from their 2023 team when he started they still have 8 (and I may be wrong here re players) still in the club

Seibold has had around 16/17 players in the same time but interestingly if you looked at the cap space taken we really have not had any cap room as long as I can remember with next year being the first instance of it.

Now I am not saying he is a great coach, nor that Ciraldo being a promising coach what I am saying is that it is not exactly a direct comparison

You cannot talk logic on here , that won’t work .

 

[mave]

I see there’s a call from fans to sack Maguire from the Broncos now as he’s been unable to get his star studded team into the top 4.

It just never stops does it , unless you have Bellamy or Cleary most club fans want their coaches sacked.

**** me , who’d be a coach.

Blokes like Trent Barrett have been failing upwards for years, and getting exceptionally well paid for the privilege.

 

[StuBoot]

Agree with most of what you say. However, TT2 would not have scored the try that Saab did. He has nowhere near the pace.

True, but he most likely wouldn't have gifted them their first try either.
That's the trade off.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

The one question that the ASC mostly avoid is “ if you sack the coach then who’s the next coach “.

These are the ones thrown about

Ballin , moved his whole life up to Brisbane , remarried , new wife’s parents live here ( she’s pregnant ) , doing very nicely in the Broncos / Queensland system , highly ( very highly ) unlikely to want to move back to Sydney.

Des, god help us , if that were to happen I’d be ready to take a long term hiatus.

Gifty , zero coaching experience , not interested , just started a new business.

Snake , limited coaching experience , not interested , helping Gifty.

Watmough , currently involved in the juniors , may be an option in the future but doubt ready now.

Toovey , been there done that , Penn wouldn’t have him back so forget that option.

Most want the next coach to be a “ Manly man “ and fair enough but pray tell me WHO.

Others

Ennis , does he even want to be a coach , he has a lucrative FOX contract and gets paid for specialist coaching roles.

Hannay, might be a good option but more likely to go to a QLD side , Titans probably.

That’s about the limit of the ones I can think about , so sure , sack the current coach.

BUT

Who’s next up ???

 

[Ralphie]

The one question that the ASC mostly avoid is “ if you sack the coach then who’s the next coach “.

These are the ones thrown about

Ballin , moved his whole life up to Brisbane , remarried , new wife’s parents live here ( she’s pregnant ) , doing very nicely in the Broncos / Queensland system , highly ( very highly ) unlikely to want to move back to Sydney.

Des, god help us , if that were to happen I’d be ready to take a long term hiatus.

Gifty , zero coaching experience , not interested , just started a new business.

Snake , limited coaching experience , not interested , helping Gifty.

Watmough , currently involved in the juniors , may be an option in the future but doubt ready now.

Toovey , been there done that , Penn wouldn’t have him back so forget that option.

Most want the next coach to be a “ Manly man “ and fair enough but pray tell me WHO.

Others

Ennis , does he even want to be a coach , he has a lucrative FOX contract and gets paid for specialist coaching roles.

Hannay, might be a good option but more likely to go to a QLD side , Titans probably.

That’s about the limit of the ones I can think about , so sure , sack the current coach.

BUT

Who’s next up ???

Absolutely spot on Mark. So we should just give up and accept mediocrity moving forward.

 

[Pete W]

May as well part ways with him end of 2026 at the latest. Whilst there isn't a premiership-winning ex-Manly supercoach ready to take over, surely a new regime will at least give the club's supporters at least the optimistic illusion of change for the better. Even if it's just a dream, it's still better than having no hope at all

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Absolutely spot on Mark. So we should just give up and accept mediocrity moving forward.

Did I say that ???

This always gets thrown up at me and that’s far from where I sit.

I’m ambivalent , as far as I can see Seibold is neither fantastic or terrible and he suffers from the same issues the previous coaches have under Penn.

So rather than criticise my opinion , answer my question, which “ hot “ coach is an available from the list currently coaching or assistant coaching are you going to sign ???

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

My question will continue to be ignored because the ASC can’t answer that , they are all gung ho about sacking the coach but completely silent when it comes to which better quality ( remember like for like is just accepting mediocrity going ahead regardless ) coach is available.

 

[Buddy Love]

I'd rather Brad Arthur over Spoonbold. Don't see any other decent options and no Des he is done

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I'd rather Brad Arthur over Spoonbold. Don't see any other decent options and no Des he is done

But didn’t BA preside over a very poorly performing Parramatta for how many years ??

I didn’t list him as I didn’t think he’d fit into the “ hot “ category.

Remember the ASC want instant success after the sacking , so like for like , or going backwards shouldn’t be acceptable ( unless they want change just for change sake , and if so then anyone will do).

 

[Terry Zarsoff]

Did I say that ???

This always gets thrown up at me and that’s far from where I sit.

I’m ambivalent , as far as I can see Seibold is neither fantastic or terrible and he suffers from the same issues the previous coaches have under Penn.

So rather than criticise my opinion , answer my question, which “ hot “ coach is an available from the list currently coaching or assistant coaching are you going to sign ???

At some point in the future, ‘Hanging Chad’ Randall. Perhaps.

I say perhaps, because the ‘lickers seem to think he belongs to them. Forever.

Plus he may prefer to stay out of the Sea Eagles’ hornet’s nest, brought to you by the likes of Scott Penn and the now semi-retired, fully irrelevant, Uncle Pete.

 

[Nordburg]

Did I say that ???

This always gets thrown up at me and that’s far from where I sit.

I’m ambivalent , as far as I can see Seibold is neither fantastic or terrible and he suffers from the same issues the previous coaches have under Penn.

So rather than criticise my opinion , answer my question, which “ hot “ coach is an available from the list currently coaching or assistant coaching are you going to sign ???

I’m interested to know what these issues are you’re referring to in regards to the Penns