Sack Seibold Immediately

[Buddy Love]

But didn’t BA preside over a very poorly performing Parramatta for how many years ??

I didn’t list him as I didn’t think he’d fit into the “ hot “ category.

Remember the ASC want instant success after the sacking , so like for like , or going backwards shouldn’t be acceptable ( unless they want change just for change sake , and if so then anyone will do).

Nonetheless he is better than spoonbold he is a real head coach players want to play for. He's not the best he's not the worst. Just throwing it out there because seibs is a rubbish coach who can't attract talent and doesn't know what to do with the talent he has

 

[Cochrane]

Absolutely spot on Mark. So we should just give up and accept mediocrity moving forward.

What he is saying is, fine, get a new coach, but with what is available will manly just continue with mediocrity or even potentially worse.

I'd say take a punt on a new young coach who has big wraps, like Ryles is working out. Could go either way though and be another Barrett.

Then I get another few years of reading everyone wants a new coach. DCE is by no means the whole problem, but I feel Seibold next year will have a good side that can beat anyone on their day, with a halfback who can control the game and assist more with staying in the grind rather than a trick shot at the wrong time. If 2026 is a failure then surely he is done.

 

[Brookie1973]

Absolutely spot on Mark. So we should just give up and accept mediocrity moving forward.

Exactly. Taking the so-called “logic” of the ASS haters to its “logical” conclusion, we are stuck with Seibold for life. There is just no better options anywhere in the Rugby League universe apparently. In their extensive research they manage to find something wrong with every other possibility, but are unable to find fault with the current coach. Every loss is due to everything other than the coach.

 

[Ralphie]

Did I say that ???

This always gets thrown up at me and that’s far from where I sit.

I’m ambivalent , as far as I can see Seibold is neither fantastic or terrible and he suffers from the same issues the previous coaches have under Penn.

So rather than criticise my opinion , answer my question, which “ hot “ coach is an available from the list currently coaching or assistant coaching are you going to sign ???

To be honest Mark, it's not my job to find a better coach. Further, I am just about over it all. I never thought I would be that person, but I am just about done with the NRL......full stop.

 

[Cochrane]

Exactly. Taking the so-called “logic” of the ASS haters to its “logical” conclusion, we are stuck with Seibold for life. There is just no better options anywhere in the Rugby League universe apparently. In their extensive research they manage to find something wrong with every other possibility, but are unable to find fault with the current coach. Every loss is due to everything other than the coach.

Stuck for life 😆. Don't be a drama Queen.

You look for the coach(s) you want and their availability in the next couple of years.

Not make a knee jerk reaction and get stuck with a coach who you may not feel or believe will make an improvement or may actually be worse for the next 2 years before being sacked for a rinse and repeat

 

[manly al]

If there was some justified reason to attach blame on Seibs or any of the coaching staff with the sub standard efforts of a couple of the more high profile players , the really unacceptable amount of unforced errors and allowing so many Dogs off loads , Fair enough but could not see it on Sunday
Same coach with those encouraging outcomes against the Panthers , Broncs and other top contenders and again fail to see how he is somehow responsible when some individual higher paid or profile players put in sub par performances or team above average or high mistake rates in general contribute [ or have ] to disappointing outcomes since his Manly tenure

 

[Ralphie]

My question will continue to be ignored because the ASC can’t answer that , they are all gung ho about sacking the coach but completely silent when it comes to which better quality ( remember like for like is just accepting mediocrity going ahead regardless ) coach is available.

Just because I am slow, what does ASC stand for?

 

[Cliffycomeback]

You cannot talk logic on here , that won’t work .

The Dogs were anchored to the bottom of the table when Ciraldo took over. That in itself relieved a lot of the pressure on him because any slight improvement would be seen as a win. I think it is much easier in many regards taking over a club that has been stuck at the wrong end of the competition than one who goes in and out of the finals like Manly. What Ciraldo has done since then is fantastamigorical.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

If there was some justified reason to attach blame on Seibs or any of the coaching staff with the sub standard efforts of a couple of the more high profile players , the really unacceptable amount of unforced errors and allowing so many Dogs off loads , Fair enough but could not see it on Sunday
Same coach with those encouraging outcomes against the Panthers , Broncs and other top contenders and again fail to see how he is somehow responsible when some individual higher paid or profile players put in sub par performances or team above average or high mistake rates in general contribute [ or have ] to disappointing outcomes since his Manly tenure

I wonder if any of the Sack Seibs Now camp believe Manly has a top 4 roster and are in a premiership window?
Or maybe just think it's his fault that Manly hasn't recruited a top 4 roster?

 

[Tragic Eagle]

I think its a anti Seibold abbreviation. There is no utility in sacking a coach at round 22 of the competition. Things won't suddenly improve for the last 6 games in the coach's absence. The current set up has been 3 years in the making. However the philosophy of " I can't see someone better out there" simply means we haven't looked hard enough. Otherwise you will always be stuck in a vicious cycle. Can I suggest someone to replace him at this point of time the answer is "No" but we have people at the club who's job it is to solve this problem. If people think and say its too hard then the job will never get done. I don't consider myself anti Seibold but if we don't make the top 8 I don't see how he can retain the coaching position.

 

[Cliffycomeback]

If there was some justified reason to attach blame on Seibs or any of the coaching staff with the sub standard efforts of a couple of the more high profile players , the really unacceptable amount of unforced errors and allowing so many Dogs off loads , Fair enough but could not see it on Sunday
Same coach with those encouraging outcomes against the Panthers , Broncs and other top contenders and again fail to see how he is somehow responsible when some individual higher paid or profile players put in sub par performances or team above average or high mistake rates in general contribute [ or have ] to disappointing outcomes since his Manly tenure

The Dogs are one hell of a side this year.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Just because I am slow, what does ASC stand for?

Anti Seibold Crew ( also known as the Anti Seibold Society ) so ASC / ASS.

PS: I didn’t name them but have begun to use it so people know who I’m aiming at.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I think its a anti Seibold abbreviation. There is no utility in sacking a coach at round 22 of the competition. Things won't suddenly improve for the last 6 games in the coach's absence. The current set up has been 3 years in the making. However the philosophy of " I can't see someone better out there" simply means we haven't looked hard enough. Otherwise you will always be stuck in a vicious cycle. Can I suggest someone to replace him at this point of time the answer is "No" but we have people at the club whose job it is to solve this problem. If people think and say it’s too hard then the job will never get done. I don't consider myself anti Seibold but if we don't make the top 8 I don't see how he can retain the coaching position.

I’m expecting he’ll be sacked , but seriously , who’s the replacement and with our existing systems , ownership , roster , will it make any difference ???

 

[Brookie1973]

Stuck for life 😆. Don't be a drama Queen.

You look for the coach(s) you want and their availability in the next couple of years.

Not make a knee jerk reaction and get stuck with a coach who you may not feel or believe will make an improvement or may actually be worse for the next 2 years before being sacked for a rinse and repeat

No drama, the view of some Seibold supporters is that there are no better coaching options available, and even Craig Bellamy wouldn’t make a difference. Fair enough if that is their view, but if you take it to its logical conclusion, we would never replace the coach.

 

[lsz]

Did I say that ???

This always gets thrown up at me and that’s far from where I sit.

I’m ambivalent , as far as I can see Seibold is neither fantastic or terrible and he suffers from the same issues the previous coaches have under Penn.

So rather than criticise my opinion , answer my question, which “ hot “ coach is an available from the list currently coaching or assistant coaching are you going to sign ???

Can I live in make believe land where this could happen?

Foran with Des in a head of football style role.

Now this will never ever happen due to how Des has left the club / Foz is not ready but a man can dream right?

 

[Phobia]

IMO I would LOVE to see what Josh Hannay or Matt King would do as head coaches here. Worth noting that Des flagged Hannay as his successor here.

The issue is that these two would likely want to reset the club. Penn would not allow it. "Results driven business". You need to win all the time, every time, or else you're gone.

I do think there are good future head coaches out there, unlike some here. I just don't think that Penn has the brains to select them. He's an absolute clown. Realistically, I'd love to get a Hannay, but I'm not getting a Hannay. I'm getting (this is factual, unlike Spoonbold) Spoonthur.

This is based upon the literal fact that we did this exact thing in 2022. We snubbed Hannay for Seibold.

I just don't think Penn has the appetite or patience to sit through a rebuilding period. Think about it, when's the last time we had a non-mandated rebuild? 2016 and beyond was necessary due to retirements. The answer is 2004, where Des went through some absolutely nightmare performances, before it eventually became good.

A question I often think is this; if Penn was in charge (or at least, with the power he has now) in 2005, would he have sacked Des?

I think he would've.

That answer basically reinforces my opinion. It isn't Seibold vs Great new coach who will bring us a prem. It's Seibold vs BA, who will sign a retiring RCG for us.

Hence, we're stuck in some eternal mediocrity, because no one wants to take risks within the club. It is needed... But if Seibs is sacked, we'll get someone average and past their expiry date, like BA, not change the roster, have an outdated vision, and go through this whole process again.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

IMO I would LOVE to see what Josh Hannay or Matt King would do as head coaches here. Worth noting that Des flagged Hannay as his successor here.

The issue is that these two would likely want to reset the club. Penn would not allow it. "Results driven business". You need to win all the time, every time, or else you're gone.

I do think there are good future head coaches out there, unlike some here. I just don't think that Penn has the brains to select them. He's an absolute clown. Realistically, I'd love to get a Hannay, but I'm not getting a Hannay. I'm getting (this is factual, unlike Spoonbold) Spoonthur.

This is based upon the literal fact that we did this exact thing in 2022. We snubbed Hannay for Seibold.

I just don't think Penn has the appetite or patience to sit through a rebuilding period. Think about it, when's the last time we had a non-mandated rebuild? 2016 and beyond was necessary due to retirements. The answer is 2004, where Des went through some absolutely nightmare performances, before it eventually became good.

A question I often think is this; if Penn was in charge (or at least, with the power he has now) in 2005, would he have sacked Des?

I think he would've.

That answer basically reinforces my opinion. It isn't Seibold vs Great new coach who will bring us a prem. It's Seibold vs BA, who will sign a retiring RCG for us.

Hence, we're stuck in some eternal mediocrity, because no one wants to take risks within the club. It is needed... But if Seibs is sacked, we'll get someone average and past their expiry date, like BA, not change the roster, have an outdated vision, and go through this whole process again.

Yep

As I have continually banged on about , when you have an owner who is now making a fair return on investment ( complete supposition by me ) based on,

A) salary cap pays all player wages (but as we know it’s whats spent otherwise that gets the guns ).
B) football department grant covers 5 million in costs , the fact that some might spend twice or three times that doesn’t mean we do ( I’m sure we don’t ),
C) so the owners costs are covered leaving them ticket sales , memberships , merchandise & hospitality to make money out of , and in that front the Penn’s are doing very nicely ( complete supposition by me but I wouldn’t be far off ).

So riddle me this , it’s the fans who crave success , the owner is happy to have a competitive team, making the finals is great but once they do that the NRL own the funds generated , so purely on a ROI as long as they are buying more memberships , and filling the venue Penn is rubbing his hands together, so why would Penn want to top up everything and say add another 10 million into the kitty to create more success ???

The answer is , he doesn’t.

So matters **** all if we do get the greatest young coach , without the extra investment nothing will change.

 

[Blowfly]

I wonder if any of the Sack Seibs Now camp believe Manly has a top 4 roster and are in a premiership window?
Or maybe just think it's his fault that Manly hasn't recruited a top 4 roster?

We’ve gone backwards under his watch and that is on him. He would also have a say in recruitment especially those duds from his mate Moses. Wake up!

 

[Ohgeez]

We’ve gone backwards under his watch and that is on him. He would also have a say in recruitment especially those duds from his mate Moses. Wake up!

I wouldn’t say we’ve gone backwards, we are basically in the same position of competing for the 8 without being a title contender. Been the same for years now & nothing has changed. Who are the dud signings from Moses?

 

[Brookie1973]

I wonder if any of the Sack Seibs Now camp believe Manly has a top 4 roster and are in a premiership window?
Or maybe just think it's his fault that Manly hasn't recruited a top 4 roster?

Is Seibs in the sack Seibs camp? Didn’t he say we were in a premiership window?