Sack Seibold Immediately

Should Seibold be sacked Immediately?

  • Yes

    Votes: 90 72.6%
  • No

    Votes: 34 27.4%

  • Total voters
    124
A coach can only do so much, you need good players. a case in point is south sydney. Even a master coach like wayne bennett can't conjure up miracles. Give Seibs a break. I like him.
Manly has an above average roster.( not a great roster) Only so much a coach can do. Even if we had bennett or Bellamy, I doubt our ladder position would change much. Realistically, Im very proud of the boys. On the fringe of the 8 with our roster is over achievement. Go Manly 💖 we are only 50/50 against the roosters this week is my prediction, despite playing at home.
 
Yep, for as long as we are shackled to this owner nothing will change. The rut that this club is currently in started when Penn got full ownership of the place. That's when rot set in and it will continue to rot away at this once great club for as long Penn is still in place.
Fair enough, but for those saying “who would we replace Seibold with?”, I have a similar question - “who would we replace Penn with?”. I’m pretty sure it’s easier to find a replacement coach than a replacement owner. And by the way, the first question has been answered multiple times across multiple threads - just because you don’t like the options proposed doesn’t mean your question hasn’t been answered.
 
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You could bring in Bellamy, Bennett, Cleary, in fact any of them and it won't make a difference. Look at where our reserve and junior teams sit. Last or near to it in all grades including the women. The culture through the whole club is trashed. Who is coming through in NSW Cup screaming to be a 1st grader. None. We have a now aged roster with only Olakau'atu, Koula , Hopoate as real future stars. It will take years of rebuilding from the junior rosters up before this club will see any success no matter who is coach. Until that begins then get used to mediocre results and mid to lower table finishes.
The answer can be found in the fact manly has only ever been successful with strong, passionate manly people in charge - arko, Stanton, fulton, Hasler. I still have hopes that mestrov can deliver on his early promise to reinvigorate manly junior development and recruitment, and perhaps one day be seen as a true successor to arko as an administrator. We just need more manly dna in the coaching ranks. Putting aside Seibold for the moment, it really irks me having Dymock as our defense coach - he is Canterbury to the core. Maybe we can’t compete financially, but we can and have punched above our weight in the past through passionate manly people.
 
Yep, for as long as we are shackled to this owner nothing will change. The rut that this club is currently in started when Penn got full ownership of the place. That's when rot set in and it will continue to rot away at this once great club for as long Penn is still in place.
They aren’t doing a bad job , but they’re no “ Uncle Nick “ that’s for sure.

But you are right , and I’ve been saying this for a long time , the coach is only part of the issue.

All of the coaches in the Penn era have been hamstrung through lack of funding , little to no “ 3rd party “ assistance , Toovey ( sacked ), Barrett ( sacked ) , Hasler ( sacked ) , Seibold ( writing is on the wall ).

The ASC will be doing handstands when “ Seidud” is sacked , but honestly whomever follows will be in the exact same position in a year or two.

I’m not a betting man but I’d almost be prepared to have a bet on how long after a new coach is appointed until the first “ Sack XXXXdud” thread starts on here.
 
A coach can only do so much, you need good players. a case in point is south sydney. Even a master coach like wayne bennett can't conjure up miracles. Give Seibs a break. I like him.
Manly has an above average roster.( not a great roster) Only so much a coach can do. Even if we had bennett or Bellamy, I doubt our ladder position would change much. Realistically, Im very proud of the boys. On the fringe of the 8 with our roster is over achievement. Go Manly 💖 we are only 50/50 against the roosters this week is my prediction, despite playing at home.
More logic , won’t go down well and you’ll now be firmly put in the “ accepting mediocrity “ crew.

But spot on.

I was laughed off when I said “ replace Seibold with Bellamy & you’d get the same”, but in my opinion that’s exactly what would happen because Bellamy wouldn’t have the multi multi MULTI million dollar Storm “ system “.

Oh sure I think there would be a small improvement but we wouldn’t instantly go from 12th position to challenging for the minor premiership.

For a “ budget football club “ we do pretty well , better than most of the other “ budget clubs “ but we pale into insignificance when compared to the big dollar operations.
 
Fair enough, but for those saying “who would we replace Seibold with?”, I have a similar question - “who would we replace. Penn with?”. I’m pretty sure it’s easier to find a replacement coach than a replacement owner. And by the way, the first question has been answered multiple times across multiple threads - just because you don’t like the options proposed doesn’t mean your question hasn’t been answered.
The question of who you'd replace Penn is an irrelevant one as Penn, unfortunately, is not interested in selling his little money-maker. Apparently he's had approaches in the past to sell but he just brushed them off.

Ideally, i'd just want an owner who has at least something of an iota of passion for the club, like Uncle Nick and Rusty have vis-a-vis for the roosters and the rabbits.
 
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The question of who you'd replace Penn is an irrelevant one as Penn, unfortunately, is not interested in selling his little money-maker. Apparently he's had approaches in the past to sell but he just brushed them off.

Ideally, i'd just want an owner who has at least something of an iota of passion for the club, like Uncle Nick and Rusty have vis-a-vis for the roosters and the a the rabbits.
This is a pretty sweet deal for Penn ( now , not initially ) , pretty much all the major costs are covered with the salary cap / footy department grant SO there is no real need to spend loads extra unless you are chasing huge success.

They now get , memberships , ticket sales , hospitality , ground advertising , food / booze royalties & merchandise, less of course the staffing costs to run all that, even so it would be a great little money earner.

So let’s say it’s worth 25 million to sell they’d possibly be getting a 10-12% return which you can’t get through most investments , so why would they want to sell ??

Live in New York , turn up occasionally , bank your return each year , it’s a really sweet deal.

AND, why would you want to invest say , 10 million a year more ( putting the thing into major loss ) to achieve greater success and make the fans happy ??? If your team gets into the finals , or makes a Grand Final you actually don’t get any of that revenue but you do make a **** load from merchandise ( but NOT 10 million).

Now , all of the above is supposition but a lot comes from discussions over the years with various CEO’s ( I always thought the club would share the gate takings for the finals games but no 100% goes to the NRL).

If we played a semi final at Brookie , they’d get the hospitality , food royalties etc but none of the gate.

This “ might “ have changed from when I was in “ the know “ but I doubt it.

So there you have our major issue.

And looking at it from purely an investment perspective the Penn’s are very very smart , if I was an investor I’d do exactly the same thing.

The only thing that would ever change this is if we were perennially winning wooden spoons and getting crowds of 6000 not 16,000, then and ONLY then would they have to do something different.
 
I wonder if any of the Sack Seibs Now camp believe Manly has a top 4 roster and are in a premiership window?
Or maybe just think it's his fault that Manly hasn't recruited a top 4 roster?
Guess that there would be a range of opinion on both points but not unreasonable just on the calibre of the current roster to be rated and all going well as a top 4 prospect
All going well to encompass a good run on the injury front , relatively consistent team [ or compositive ] form level and top ranked players performing or contributing to their maximum level
Not saying Seibs and just like any other N R L coach should not have his coaching style or ability questioned from time to time but should always have some proper perspective in the process as well
 
The Dogs are one hell of a side this year.
Yet Dragons probably should have taken the points against the Dogs the prior to the thrashing Manly got from the Dogs and Dragons hardly world beaters in the season proper
Maybe on a less gloomy note , that result on Sunday could be a bit reminiscent of how Manly gave the Raiders a bit of a touch up early in the season at Brookie.
Raiders staying competitive for a while but then just ground down by Manly dominating possession and field position
Can "t recall the Raiders making so many unforced errors or allowing so many Dogs off loads however and Raiders going on to so much better things after that .
So , on that basis , maybe some hope for a Manly revival but will have to take a pretty full on effort considering they are down a couple of key forwards and a couple of key players producing no where near their best right now
 
The question of who you'd replace Penn is an irrelevant one as Penn, unfortunately, is not interested in selling his little money-maker. Apparently he's had approaches in the past to sell but he just brushed them off.

Ideally, i'd just want an owner who has at least something of an iota of passion for the club, like Uncle Nick and Rusty have vis-a-vis for the roosters and the a the rabbits.
It was just my less than subtle dig at those who defend the coach on the basis there are no viable alternatives, while continually complaining about the owner where the exact same situation applies, even more so. Your point is exactly right. The owner is here to stay, so what’s the point in continually complaining about it.
 
Yet Dragons probably should have taken the points against the Dogs the prior to the thrashing Manly got from the Dogs and Dragons hardly world beaters in the season proper
Maybe on a less gloomy note , that result on Sunday could be a bit reminiscent of how Manly gave the Raiders a bit of a touch up early in the season at Brookie.
Raiders staying competitive for a while but then just ground down by Manly dominating possession and field position
Can "t recall the Raiders making so many unforced errors or allowing so many Dogs off loads however and Raiders going on to so much better things after that .
So , on that basis , maybe some hope for a Manly revival but will have to take a pretty full on effort considering they are down a couple of key forwards and a couple of key players producing no where near their best right now
It’ll pretty much all come down to attitude from here ( not coaching ) , if they want to do better , they will, if they are just “ making up the numbers “ then we should brace ourselves for some heavy losses.

I’m however positive.

I thought we did pretty well on Sunday for 55 minutes , unlucky to give the first try away with a bad error , second try only after a penalty and 2x6 agains in a row.

Then , sadly , completely blown away.

I have a feeling they’ll be hurting and will want to do better for the home crowd.

If we are thrashed from the get go on Saturday night then I’ll have to be optimistic instead.
 
It’ll pretty much all come down to attitude from here ( not coaching ) , if they want to do better , they will, if they are just “ making up the numbers “ then we should brace ourselves for some heavy losses.

I’m however positive.

I thought we did pretty well on Sunday for 55 minutes , unlucky to give the first try away with a bad error , second try only after a penalty and 2x6 agains in a row.

Then , sadly , completely blown away.

I have a feeling they’ll be hurting and will want to do better for the home crowd.

If we are thrashed from the get go on Saturday night then I’ll have to be optimistic instead.
Just could not imagine the same level of unforced errors and would be something wrong if the defensive or wrestling coaches can not somehow improve drastically and reducing that shocking high number of off loads against the Dogs
Real downer with Haumole out but without his tackle busting ability , somehow were able to get some good attacking plays in motion and to good effect the previous week against the Storm
Just going to take a backs to the wall effort and will be made that much harder if D C E opts to not really put in or play his expected role
 
I think Seibold is only average but any coach would have struggled over the last few years IMO. Having Tom, Jake & DCE taking up over $3m of cap space is a huge handicap, could be the worst ‘big 3’ in the comp these days. Along with the unfortunate Schuster situation, thought we had a superstar but sadly mental health problems derailed his career. I think Ennis will be next coach since he is already familiar with the playing group & respected around the game but it needs to be sorted out quickly.
 
It was just my less than subtle dig at those who defend the coach on the basis there are no viable alternatives, while continually complaining about the owner where the exact same situation applies, even more so. Your point is exactly right. The owner is here to stay, so what’s the point in continually complaining about it.
I can't stop comparing our situation with that of the Seinfeld episode where George meets Mr Steinbrenner the owner of the New York Yankees:

"You sir, in the past 20 years, have caused myself and the city of New York a good deal of distress as we have watched you take our beloved Yankees and reduce them to a laughing stock, all for the glorification of your massive ego!"
 
I can't stop comparing our situation with that of the Seinfeld episode where George meets Mr Steinbrenner the owner of the New York Yankees:

"You sir, in the past 20 years, have caused myself and the city of New York a good deal of distress as we have watched you take our beloved Yankees and reduce them to a laughing stock, all for the glorification of your massive ego!"
And then George got the job with the Yankees.🙂
 

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