Salary cap 101

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Have been thinking about the dreaded salary cap. seems to continually be a point of conflict given its less than ideal apparent bias to some clubs.

We have all mused on plans to sort it out but perhaps we are just going about it wrong.

If you cant fix it why not get dirty and play at the same level or at least attempt to.

Obviously the rooters are backed by a very rich individual. The storm and broncos are one team towns so that helps.

Lets just come up with stupid simple ways to pay our players outside the cap..

We all know about boats, cars and luxury items so lets talk different methods.

Property? Say a wealthy club supporter was to sell a property to a player at a very good price in return for said player actively going to the club and signing for a much reduced number across 4 or 5 years? with property especially in Sydney crazy money there would be so many ways to sort a deal. the deal is only known to said player and supporting party. club has no knowledge other than player accepting unders for whatever reason.

any other ideas?

 

[Chip and Chase]

Play golf with rich club benefactor. Sink a 3" tap in putt to win a $250K "bet"

 

[Woodsie]

Are we seriously believing football players and their families are smart enough not to brag about such things on their instagram ?

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Property? Say a wealthy club supporter was to sell a property to a player at a very good price

I think that one has been around for decades!

 

[EOL now nesting on the GC]

Thing is you only need to do it for very few in any given side. look at Melbourne. Scam has most likely benefitted from some underhand dealings and I'm not just referring to the 2 contracts.
Just have to be smart about it.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Problem is its not worth getting caught rorting the cap, we got busted and it seemed to be for the most technical of breaches, if anything, yet it hampered us for a couple of years.
I think one of Manly's problems has been that while the Penns have poured cash into the club, I get the feeling they don't really want to share the glory and for that reason may not have encouraged active involvement from other cashed up sources. Could be wrong.
But when it comes to footy clubs being well resourced means a hell of a lot, including for recruitment.

 

[ManlyTragic]

Have been thinking about the dreaded salary cap. seems to continually be a point of conflict given its less than ideal apparent bias to some clubs.

Bro you need a hobby of some sort! You’re going to give yourself a migraine thinking about things like that!

just sayin’

 

[DUFFMAN]

I still think a point system is more transparent.
Spend $5,000,000 or $50,000,000 you get X amount of points like everyone else, you can't hide points like cash.
Can't have a putt to change you points value or have third party deal advantages.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I still think a point system is more transparent.
Spend $5,000,000 or $50,000,000 you get X amount of points like everyone else, you can't hide points like cash.
Can't have a putt to change you points value or have third party deal advantages.

110%

 

[globaleagle]

Problem is its not worth getting caught rorting the cap, we got busted and it seemed to be for the most technical of breaches, if anything, yet it hampered us for a couple of years.
I think one of Manly's problems has been that while the Penns have poured cash into the club, I get the feeling they don't really want to share the glory and for that reason may not have encouraged active involvement from other cashed up sources. Could be wrong.
But when it comes to footy clubs being well resourced means a hell of a lot, including for recruitment.

Then Parra got busted...and busted...and busted.....

and got a new stadium and multiple leg ups from the nrl including a ceo who 'didn't want to punish fans any further.'

Seems a decent enough deal!




(lol...sigh)

 

[eagle66]

Another issue of the Salary Cap is that a club has to spend 95% of the cap.
At this point, my initial reaction is so, of course, what is the problem.

Take into account a Club where they are not travelling well, paying overs for players. The player managers are fully aware how a Club is travellling with the Salary Cap. This is how, I believe, Lachlan Lewis got to $450,000. Club at a time was in a position to offer a contract, couldn't get anyone else, were worked over by the player manager and paid overs because they could fit it into the cap and to comply with the obligerative 95% spend.

To counteract this dilemma and being "conned" by creative player managers to get 3 or 4 players signed so the Club can get one that is of any value, Clubs should be able to spend their cap on at least 30 players, not just 30 players.

So if a Club is travellling poorly, can't get high profile, SOO quality players into their stable, they can buy up on their juniors, legally, instead of paying overs for deadwood and carrying them for 2 to 3 years because they won't leave the gravy train.

There are a lot of holes in this but, this could allow lower ranked teams to not only "groom" (shouldn't use that word) their juniors but be able to secure them for an additional couple of seasons while the Club is setting the squad up.

Apart from the above and has been mentioned before, the Salary Cap should be replaced with points or rating system, taking into account, length of service, amount of NRL games, rep games, junior player and at what level of junior ie Flegg, Ball, Matts and local league recognition.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

The salary cap and transparency are like a vampire and sunlight.

 

[John Nicholson]

Real estate deals have been done, even in Manly, however you have to be very smart to avoid the taxman.

I remember when Balmain's Dennis Tutty (who was then trying to remain amateur for Olympic rowing; all Olympic sport was supposed to be amateur back then.)

Dennis's mother used to go to the Balmain Leagues Club, at opening time and be directed by a supervisor to a covered pokies machine.

When she lifted the cover, surprise surprise, the machine had already "paid out" several top jackpots over night and she was lucky to put "the winnings" straight into in her handbag.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

I’m still in the “ points “ system brigade.

Not perfect I know , but neither is the current system.

 

[Kaufusi's Elbow]

Did a few home renos back in the day for cash ... don't mention the client please. Haha

 

[The Who]

Third-party sponsorship relies a lot on the profile of a player. If I was a company looking to link with a 'cleanskin' then Turbo would be that player.
If I was a fashion or beauty-related company then Sandwich would be perfect with his good looks.
Both of these players should attract some serious additional outside revenue in 2022.
Similarly, Toto from Penriff will get sponsorship gigs from companies marketing kids-related products.

 

[Shoe1]

Are we seriously believing football players and their families are smart enough not to brag about such things on their instagram ?

I have it on good authority that all members of a certain team were given $30k each in Sydney casino chips at a player’s 30th birthday in 2002. Provided by a benefactor. Pre Instagram though right.

 

[manlyfan76]

It's called privacy coin.
Think Bitcoin but never traceable.
Systems build so that they can never be tracked.
From there the player can trade for cash or stock or whatever.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

For mine the NRL are much like modern politicians who are terribly short sighted and only focused on short term financial gain. Its a social condition of seeking rapid gratification. Evening up the competition won't win the favor of the powerful clubs. Evening up the playing field would provide a better product appealing to a broader viewing audience. Aussies love a good contest and good contests across the board don't come from having 3 or 4 stacked teams and the rest just making up the numbers. In my view the NRL commission should consist of personal that do not come from high profile administrative positions from within the clubs because they come with history and you don't change years of programming with a different job description. I don't believe ex footballers are the right choice either especially those that want to change the rules every 5 minutes. I accept that footballers and footballer administrators should have a voice but there is a consultative process that can facilitate that without handing the reins over to them.

 

[Supreme Leader]

Play golf with rich club benefactor. Sink a 3" tap in putt to win a $250K "bet"

what if he misses?