Trump

[lsz]

Honestly do we really need to go through this and what he actually said?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974938887039631680

 

[47MVEagle]

Hope you guys are enjoying your echo chamber. Rest assured, I will no longer be upsetting your safe space with, God forbid, an alternative point of view. As I am apparently a flat earth troll, I’m sure you will not consider that any great loss. Enjoy.

Yeah no worries mate, good to see you bow out so gracefully - oh wait…

 

[Highflier]

I know Ill regret this, so que the leftist pile on, but I do wonder how all you TDS suffers will feel if Trump manages to get this Hamas Israel deal done? Will you give him any credit for it, or how about some credit for even trying?
Or will you take the laughable and arguably destructive attempt, by the look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia " recognizing the nonexistent state of Palestine with its nonexistent government " view thats what pushed the deal over the line, what a joke 🙂
Anyways Im sure there is a few of you clearer thinkers that will give him some begrudging credit, while there will be a rabid nest of others who even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .
On other matters very pleased with Kobes efforts yesterday, although not happy to hear that he needs some sort of operation on his hip

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia

How is Albanese 'accidental'? Didn't he absolutely decimate the Libs, to the point the party's future is on life support?

As for Trump, so far as I'm concerned he's complicit in Netanyahu's genocide, he could have reined that monster in a long time ago but he gave him free reign to do what he's done.

To give him credit for peace now would be akin to giving him credit for peace with Iran on the basis he bombed them then stopped bombing them, voila, peace.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .

Mate if he cures cancer ...??
He wants pregnant women to suffer dangerous fevers rather than take a safe drug. He's appointed a vaccine-sceptic psycho as his health secretary. If he has any positive achievements at all its highly unlikely to be in the health field.

 

[47MVEagle]

I know Ill regret this, so que the leftist pile on, but I do wonder how all you TDS suffers

I stopped reading here because in your mind, anyone who isn’t a fervent cult member who thinks Trump lays golden eggs apparently suffers from derangement.

What is your opinion on Trump ignoring a Supreme Court judge’s ruling & sending the military into Oregon to deal with what he claims are domestic terrorists (antifa) - when in actual fact it’s people demonstrating against the ICE detention facilities there?

 

[h27272727]

I know Ill regret this, so que the leftist pile on, but I do wonder how all you TDS suffers will feel if Trump manages to get this Hamas Israel deal done? Will you give him any credit for it, or how about some credit for even trying?
Or will you take the laughable and arguably destructive attempt, by the look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia " recognizing the nonexistent state of Palestine with its nonexistent government " view thats what pushed the deal over the line, what a joke 🙂
Anyways Im sure there is a few of you clearer thinkers that will give him some begrudging credit, while there will be a rabid nest of others who even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .
On other matters very pleased with Kobes efforts yesterday, although not happy to hear that he needs some sort

Not all right-aligned folk willingly support genocide / rewriting history. If you were ever actually confronted with one I also suspect you would snap out of it. The rest of this is a bit of a late night rant, so forgive me where it is sloppy.

Given the state of that post it appears you are just totally out of the loop / naive to any of the historical context to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Trump's involved so time to hop in I guess. Seems an awful lot like a pattern with MAGAts. Loudest in the room but seldom something is actually said.

US has propped up and aided Israel for half a century. Other US presidents have terribly failed the Palestinian people on several occasions. Yet that does not absolve Trump from overseeing an escalating genocide for 9 months. It says something that Israel felt so untethered. Trump's only tangible contributions leading up to this point have been to suck up to Israel; from supporting their reckless motivations in Iran to spreading stupid narcissistic **** like this,

US people have begun learning about the Palestinian situation in recent years (as have many who are online, viewing the clips). For the first time even the Americans are starting to make some noise about it all. The international community is well ahead of them and increasingly vocal. This issue is now at the doorstep of Netanyahu and Trump; I don't expect they can ignore it much longer. Netanyahu will push the limits though, and Trump's weak attempts at resolving the Russian-Ukranian conflict give him confidence to delay and ignore US rhetoric.

As for this peace plan offered by the US, it essentially just rehashes elements of the 1993 Oslo accord agreements. While nothing in it suggests Trump had any direct role in its creation, it is the a move in the right direction. One mistake it makes is not acknowledging Israel's role in the conflict pre 2023 (apartheid, displacement, oppression). I also see some potentially serious flaws with certain points and am a bit concerned it may just be for show.

For example, point 4 requests that all hostages be returned dead or alive else the 'final solution' continues. Half of the hostages are likely buried deep in rubble at this point as a result of Israel's bombings. Is this a genuine sticking point? Point 7, why wait for the agreement to send in aid? ****ing war crime in writing right there. Point 13 is good (the way it was heading before Netenyahu got involved). Point 16 pretends that Israel isn't a guarded fortress already. Point 19 appears to allude to a two-state solution; though it is terribly ambiguous. Such ambiguity is a huge problem in peace agreements (Palestinians have heard empty promises for decades while their living situation has worsened indefinitely). There has not been hope for a Palestinian child born since the 1970s, less so today.

The west has for so long parroted the US stance. What I can thank Trump for is that he has brought the US down to such a low point that western leaders now reject and/or ignore the de facto US position and act for themselves, thus applying pressure back on the US. We should not be tied to the actions of the US, nor the Israeli state. I don't care if you like our leader or not, it is not his fault you are not informed at this point in time.

Doesn't have to always be that way, I find this video is a good start (focused more on recent times)

West Bank (not Gaza): watch the first few mins at least