We keep talking about changing the team ... what about this lot?

[Waz13]

I think a lot of the defensive issues stem from our attacking mindset. I noticed we started OK the other night but after Garrick’s soft try, we kept throwing the ball around like it was a game of touch football and I think it impacts on the side’s willingness to engage physically in the battle. Then when the Titans got the ball, there was a distinct lack of energy in the defensive line.

I’d like us to stop shifting the ball to the edges all the time. I think we are the most sideways team in the NRL.

Was screaming Friday night “go through the f$&@en middle!!” Our first two rucks are outside backs that hardly get us moving, then we just throw the same old predictable shifts that teams cover relatively easily. We do not engage the opposition pack well enough for early spreads imo. If we have a 3rd/4th tackle hit up that can suck 3-4 defenders in, then hit the edges. Although our only forward capable of sucking that many in is Haumole, and well he plays on an edge and is gone now anyways.

 

[Once Was Brissie Kid]

Look how long that list of names is! Every NRL club has that.

That's why the argument that the salary cap is to stop clubs spending too much & going broke is nonsense. They can spend like a wild sailor on whatever they want, so long as it isn't on players.

Bring back the 1970s. No cap. Manly were a super club.

 

[BOZO]

Was screaming Friday night “go through the f$&@en middle!!” Our first two rucks are outside backs that hardly get us moving, then we just throw the same old predictable shifts that teams cover relatively easily. We do not engage the opposition pack well enough for early spreads imo. If we have a 3rd/4th tackle hit up that can suck 3-4 defenders in, then hit the edges. Although our only forward capable of sucking that many in is Haumole, and well he plays on an edge and is gone now anyways.

Mate , All You passionate Manly people made us proud last Friday night
You all showed Great Manly Spirit and Resilience to be there

 

[BOZO]

Bring back the 1970s. No cap. Manly were a super club.

No Excuses
Excuses are the Mother of all Mediocre failures

The cap came before our other Great Manly Super club Premiership Winning years 2008 and 2011
The only Difference was that smarter and more capable Manly people at the club were wearing the cap

 

[Rafferty]

My mate and me did our post mortem on the game yesterday and we agree with you they throw ball around too much as you say like touch football, just go back to the basics

Following on from LC’s post and your review, we do that because our pack is antique and can’t play that style of footy for sustained periods, add to that our backs don’t have strong yardage carries to help out.

If we try to play through sides, we’d be out on our feet, we can’t handle the pace of the game, so we go from side to side hoping to use our weapons and that’s on the coach, his team selections, recruitment and game plans, his clueless and is leading us to a messy ending.

 

[Ron E. Gibbs]

My mate and me did our post mortem on the game yesterday and we agree with you they throw ball around too much as you say like touch football, just go back to the basics

It's taking the easy option, every single time. We have no desire to be involved in "the grind" of rugby league at all. All we want to do is score tries, off every single play.

We are, in three simple words, soft as f#@k. And it's probably just a coincidence that those same three words also describe the physical condition of our coach.

 

[LeonardCohen]

Following on from LC’s post and your review, we do that because our pack is antique and can’t play that style of footy for sustained periods, add to that our backs don’t have strong yardage carries to help out.

If we try to play through sides, we’d be out on our feet, we can’t handle the pace of the game, so we go from side to side hoping to use our weapons and that’s on the coach, his team selections, recruitment and game plans, his clueless and is leading us to a messy ending.

I agree with you as to the reasons we spread the ball and I agree that it's a fault of the coaching staff. But it's not working, so lets try something else. We're flogging a dead horse. I'd like to see our halves play straight and at the line; put someone in between defenders and play for some ruck speed. I'd like to see our forwards encouraged to offload. I'd like to see players turned under instead of always going to the edges. There was an occasion on Friday night in the second half where we'd won the ruck and the markers we skittled and Croker picked it up and threw a pass with width that played into the Titans hands. So, whilst I agree with how/why we got here, I think there are other solutions.

 

[Ralphie]

You might want to look at the other clubs as well as looking at the actual personnel.

We'll never get anywhere while we're nothing but the plaything of a nepo baby

So show us the difference.

 

[TJ55]

Dymock is part of the equation
The Head coach Seibold overseas all parts of coaching performance and is accountable for his choice of assistant coaches and the teams results

Seibold was the Defensive coach under Barrett
Quote from Manly media 2015
Barrett said Seibold will play a vital role in the team’s defensive structure.
“Anthony is doing the defence. I was very selective in choosing who I wanted to be my assistants and one thing I wanted was for someone to come out of a system that was very strong defensively,’’ Barrett said.

Can you believe Trent Barrett still holds a coaching role Bozo, after derailing the Sea Eagles,the getting his first spoon at the Dogs the Donkeys somehow think he is employable, it seems wherever Barrett goes he gifts a poisoned chalice

 

[mickqld]

Agree 100%. Our attack is becoming very predictable and I think most teams have worked us out. We're either 1 out or shift to the edges. There's no variety, no change in direction, hardly any offloads to keep the opposition guessing. Have become too stale with many of our plays. Defence is the other issue but we've been talking about that all season. There's a strong chance we don't make the 8 if this rubbish continues.

Forget the 8. With the complete lack of leg speed in those forwards we're going to be lucky to stave off the spoon. Our latteral scramble in defence is non existent when you've got a pack full of slow plodding walkers. Now with Olakau'atu gone he's our only attack option. DCE and Brookes are bereft of taking the ball to the line and creating space. Turbo is lame. I'd be just putting in some younger options up front and telling them this is your chance. Shine or you're gone.
Patolo
Sykes
Navale to start with.
Dump the plodders and shake up the rest because the last few weeks require mass changes.

1. Hoppa
2. Garrick
3. Koula
4.Talau
5. Faulolo
6. Turbo (C)
7. Walsh
8. Patolo
9. Simpkin
10. TKO
11. Sykes
12. Burbo
13. Tevaga

14. Brookes
15. Bullemore
16. Navale
17. Sipley

 

[Ben]

My mate and me did our post mortem on the game yesterday and we agree with you they throw ball around too much as you say like touch football, just go back to the basics

The problem is that we don’t have the forwards to play a basic game. We are forced to throw it around because we can’t match it with any team in the comp with our rubbish go forward.
The only real meters we get are on the edges.
Sad times with one of the worst prop rotations I’ve seen at Manly. Bully the only shining light

 

[mickqld]

Forget the 8. With the complete lack of leg speed in those forwards we're going to be lucky to stave off the spoon. Our latteral scramble in defence is non existent when you've got a pack full of slow plodding walkers. Now with Olakau'atu gone he's our only attack option. DCE and Brookes are bereft of taking the ball to the line and creating space. Turbo is lame. I'd be just putting in some younger options up front and telling them this is your chance. Shine or you're gone.
Patolo
Sykes
Navale to start with.
Dump the plodders and shake up the rest because the last few weeks require mass changes.

1. Hoppa
2. Garrick
3. Koula
4.Talau
5. Faulolo
6. Turbo (C)
7. Walsh
8. Patolo
9. Simpkin
10. TKO
11. Sykes
12. Burbo
13. Tevaga

14. Brookes
15. Bullemore
16. Navale
17. Sipley

I'd put DCE at #18 and Jurbo at #19 and go prove to me these next 2 weeks of training that you need to be picked in the 17 because those 2 more than anyone were responsible for that dogsh*t that was served up on Fri night.

 

[Waz13]

Forget the 8. With the complete lack of leg speed in those forwards we're going to be lucky to stave off the spoon. Our latteral scramble in defence is non existent when you've got a pack full of slow plodding walkers. Now with Olakau'atu gone he's our only attack option. DCE and Brookes are bereft of taking the ball to the line and creating space. Turbo is lame. I'd be just putting in some younger options up front and telling them this is your chance. Shine or you're gone.
Patolo
Sykes
Navale to start with.
Dump the plodders and shake up the rest because the last few weeks require mass changes.

1. Hoppa
2. Garrick
3. Koula
4.Talau
5. Faulolo
6. Turbo (C)
7. Walsh
8. Patolo
9. Simpkin
10. TKO
11. Sykes
12. Burbo
13. Tevaga

14. Brookes
15. Bullemore
16. Navale
17. Sipley

At this point I’m not against this at all.

 

[Eagles4Life]

Forget the 8. With the complete lack of leg speed in those forwards we're going to be lucky to stave off the spoon. Our latteral scramble in defence is non existent when you've got a pack full of slow plodding walkers. Now with Olakau'atu gone he's our only attack option. DCE and Brookes are bereft of taking the ball to the line and creating space. Turbo is lame. I'd be just putting in some younger options up front and telling them this is your chance. Shine or you're gone.
Patolo
Sykes
Navale to start with.
Dump the plodders and shake up the rest because the last few weeks require mass changes.

1. Hoppa
2. Garrick
3. Koula
4.Talau
5. Faulolo
6. Turbo (C)
7. Walsh
8. Patolo
9. Simpkin
10. TKO
11. Sykes
12. Burbo
13. Tevaga

14. Brookes
15. Bullemore
16. Navale
17. Sipley

I agree @mickqld I would prefer that we never see DCE in our jersey again. I am not sure if I can stomach seeing that one more time. I would also bench Jake and not remove him from the seventeen just yet. The rest is pretty similar.

Hopoate
Saab
Koula
Garrick
Talau
Turbo
Walsh
Sipley
Simpkin
Taukahio
Bullemore
Burbo
Tevaga

Brooks
Navale
Jurbo
Patolo

Laififi

 

[Kalvin]

Following on from LC’s post and your review, we do that because our pack is antique and can’t play that style of footy for sustained periods, add to that our backs don’t have strong yardage carries to help out.

If we try to play through sides, we’d be out on our feet, we can’t handle the pace of the game, so we go from side to side hoping to use our weapons and that’s on the coach, his team selections, recruitment and game plans, his clueless and is leading us to a messy ending.

Yes i think we need to stop trying to "use our weapons" and "trying to stay connected" and just harden up and play through the middle! 😆

 

[Chip and Chase]

There is a "football department" salary cap these days that stops the rich clubs having an endless list of support staff. Can't tell you what the value of that is exactly this season but it was about $5mil a couple of years ago

Having said that I'll take whatever Henry Mander is on for post game analysis services. How hard is it to front up and say "you guys are sh!t, you lost again".

Recruitment has been an epic fail for us too. Can't remember the last young player we signed that delivered. Hoppa has been good, but he came through our junior system. Guac was dropped in our lap by the Fainus from memory. Other than that it's been a procession of average NRL players.

 

[Dee Why Eagle]

Is this a time to blood Joey Walsh at half with DCE at 5/8 as mentor maybe for 20 minutes per game so that he can learn (only the good things) from DCE while we still have him?
Would be nice to benefit from DCE if we could.

 

[DieHardManlyFan]

I agree @mickqld However I would prefer that we never see DCE in our jersey again. I am not sure if I can stomach seeing that one more time. I would also bench Jake and not yet remove him from the seventeen just yet. The rest is pretty similar.

Hopoate
Saab
Koula
Garrick
Talau
Turbo
Walsh
Sipley
Simpkin
Taukahio
Bullemore
Burbo
Tevaga

Brooks
Navale
Jurbo
Patolo

Laififi

Turbo for brooks. Manage him back to hopefully somewhere near his best by playing him 10/15 mins a half. If he can’t play 80 come the back end of the season some serious discussions need to be had.

 

[Frogz]

Many contributors here frequently bag the Penn ownership. But realistically that is a HUGE back room staff and must cost a fortune. So, without doubt the owners are committing to a significant financial investment to the running of the club. But of course the playing recruitment processes are a different matter.

Yeah but thats his choice, no one is making him hire all these people. It's what he does with the players and coach that really matters. He gets plenty from the NRL and if the average membership value is $50 (and its probably way more than that), he also gets close to a million plus from us. Don't worry about Penn Inc.

 

[Brookie1973]

I'd put DCE at #18 and Jurbo at #19 and go prove to me these next 2 weeks of training that you need to be picked in the 17 because those 2 more than anyone were responsible for that dogsh*t that was served up on Fri night.

I’m not disagreeing with you Mick, but there is exactly zero chance of our coach making any changes that may upset the playing group.