What’s really killing our 2025 season?

[Scorpio]

I don't think there are any true fans of Seibold. There are those who think he's not a good 1st grade coach, and those who overlook this fact. But no one really believes he's actually good coach.

As Manly coach, Seibold currently has a higher win percentage than Barrett (not a high bar to clear there) but also currently higher than Des (his immediate predecessor) had across his entire second stint at Manly.

To me that's enough of a sample size to suggest we have other problems to address as a higher priority than the guy in the coach's box...

 

[bob dylan]

I agree Bob. We need a proven coach to instil discipline, pride and respect back in the place. Not sure about Demetrieou - think he would be more of the same. Looked like the senior players were running the ship at Souths when he was in “charge”.

Thats who I believe we will get if Seibold goes.

Certainly not what we want or need.

 

[TheSoaringEagle2023]

Spend some money on some promising juniors that are on the fringes of the better clubs ie Melbourne, Broncos, Panthers ,etc. as well as throwing a few of our own. I recount that Warea Hargreaves was one of those players that couldnt get a run on in our 1st grade team and was on the fringes and the Roosters saw the talent. The good money should be spent on at least player who has at least tasted some premiership success and was a pivotal figure .Players such as Mavrik Geyer, Bronson Garlick, Wiremu Greig, Kobe Hethrington,etc.

 

[eaglebuzz]

Something was definitely off in that Sharks game. We had so many players throw "offloads" that went directly to a Sharks player. It happened so many times it bordered on match fixing. And our defense was woeful.

 

[double hoops]

I just think it's this club's spectacular ability to self implode one way or another year after year. From rediculous player recruitment to dramas with players and administrators, to insane decisions and the constant stream of injuries to key players. There's no stability in the place and that filters down to player attitudes.

Absolutely agree that if this club ever wants to build resilience, what need is STABILITY and slog this out.

As fans of this club have we all become conditioned to seeing this team self implode, and what follows next is sack the coach. That will fix it yeah!

Same with Broncos and Kev, and this year, surprise surprise new coach, 99 new methods, a harder approach more discipline but yeah just like implosions at Manly, it's deja vu, just rince repeat.

If you want change. STABILITY. Get everyone inside, lock the doors, have some open, honest, discussions. Put on the gloves and let em go at it. And fix it.

Dogs seemed to do alright after have wrestling sessions against the entire team.

OK a few players threw their toys out of the cot, or headed to court , but did the problem if it was work ethic get fixed?

An implosion not a bad thing, if it's actually the learning needed to identify parts broken and if it can be fixed, or needs to just be shipped.

But if what's broken isn't the coach, having a new one with 99 new ways of doing things means stuff all, if you havent actually learned anything from the past and fixed what is ****ed.

Insanity.