$1 Million offered to Hiku to Leave Manly

[Mark from Brisbane]

I like Blair, loads of speed, if Hiku is only going to be a winger he'd be a cheaper option and still do the job.

Very sad to say but I think Wolfie may now be in the outer , I imagine they'd pick him again if Snake was injured but otherwise we may have seen the last of him.

 

[lovefooty]

I have it on very good mail that PETA will reject all other offers and take the less of all the money options and stay at manly.
He loves the club and wants to be with manly's next generation of young players.
Good on him . He has made the right choice .
Money is not everything .
He could show Des something about that.

 

[Clint]

I have it on very good mail that PETA will reject all other offers and take the less of all the money options and stay at manly.
He loves the club and wants to be with manly's next generation of young players.
Good on him . He has made the right choice .
Money is not everything .
He could show Des something about that.

I sincerely hope you are right lovefooty, but I wonder at whose cost??? :huh:

 

[The Who]

I have it on very good mail that PETA will reject all other offers and take the less of all the money options and stay at manly.
He loves the club and wants to be with manly's next generation of young players.
Good on him . He has made the right choice .
Money is not everything .
He could show Des something about that.

Good move by Tooves to keep him in first grade, even though not in his preferred position. Great news if Hiku does stay because he will be an important part of our team for many years to come. Hiku is only 21, and still looks to be growing. He seems to be a lot taller and heavier.
If Hiku stays he will become a Manly club favourite. We'll remember he placed loyalty over cash.

 

[patorick2010]

I have it on very good mail that PETA will reject all other offers and take the less of all the money options and stay at manly.
He loves the club and wants to be with manly's next generation of young players.
Good on him . He has made the right choice .
Money is not everything .
He could show Des something about that.

That's good news if true.

I'm worried that Des might be on his doorstep when he gets home though.

 

[globaleagle]

I have it on very good mail that PETA will reject all other offers and take the less of all the money options and stay at manly.
He loves the club and wants to be with manly's next generation of young players.
Good on him . He has made the right choice .
Money is not everything .
He could show Des something about that.

You just got that from post #34

Diff is with this fickle bunch...post #34 didn't get any likes!

Party on!

 

[lovefooty]

I have it on very good mail that PETA will reject all other offers and take the less of all the money options and stay at manly.
He loves the club and wants to be with manly's next generation of young players.
Good on him . He has made the right choice .
Money is not everything .
He could show Des something about that.

You just got that from post #34

Diff is with this fickle bunch...post #34 didn't get any likes!

Party on!

Not so
Got it from someone close to him and the club today!!
Party hard!

 

[Fluffy]

The disallowed try was Lyons fault, Lyon crabbed accross in slow motion allowing the defence to slide and giving Hiku little room to move.

Not sure what was going through his head as normally he would have accellerated towrds their winger and put it on the chest to allow hiku to go in untouched

And the referees & video ref completely ignored the Sharks players outwide were offside when Tafua played the ball. Lyon and Hiku shouldn't have to even contend with those Sharks defenders. Should have been a Manly penalty.

that was my first thought by watching the replay they got back. Jorge was tackled 14m out and they got back to about 2m out. I think Lyon just assumed they were offside, which they often are after a break like that and even when teams do get back the refs rarely look and just blow a penalty anyway.

 

[Jerry1]

Hiku is a good utility player but playing him ahead of Wolfe on a wing is baffling. Wolfe is streets ahead as a winger. Is he worth a mil over 3 - yep I'm sure he is but we can't afford it - or maybe we can - who knows hey.

 

[Eagles2nv]

I really like hiku, but with all our salary cap issues, throwing 1 mill over 3 years probably isnt worth it.

Its a huge shame as he is a really talented player, who will be a great replacement for skivvy.

I can live with him going back the the warriors, but no the dogs.

 

[Masked Eagle]

Peta is composed class but just lacks spark and commitment to a hole/line run when in the red zone.

Peta has a nice rounded skillset, good hands, good footwork, good upper body strength good under the bomb, kick return metres are better than Brett and decent defence also.

Sometimes Wolfie has been made the scapegoat for defensive errors because it is easier to just blame the winger, especially in relation to defensive errors coming outside in. Usually Centres have the bigger name so get less of the blame for rushing up way too early.

Mark Gasnier left his winger posted often and every time the commentary would say "oh the winger should of jammed in following the centre", which in some cases is correct other times the centre is overly pro active.

If the winger just takes the simple approach and always moves up following his centre(which is trained, drilled and expected in most cases not all if the centre communicates otherwise) he can easily be exposed on the outside from a pass or kick and made to look as if he did not count numbers, if the winger hangs back and the attack goes through the hole left by not jamming in or causes the defensive line to slide due to not moving up (allowing the play to unfold with attacking numbers and not shutting it off early) the winger is to blame again.

Wolfie does offer strong early tackle count kick returns hits the defensive line hard and straight and would of finished off that disallowed try more times than not.

Are you saying the best defensive centre in the game doesn't know how to defend?

He wouldn't let in 90% of the tries he's conceded down his sides if he just followed killers lead. Wolfman is not hitting late, or getting there too slow, he's going way too early and often hitting the wrong guy. He stands too wide and too much space, he needs to stand closer to begin with and then chase out.

 

[Technical Coach]

Peta is composed class but just lacks spark and commitment to a hole/line run when in the red zone.

Peta has a nice rounded skillset, good hands, good footwork, good upper body strength good under the bomb, kick return metres are better than Brett and decent defence also.

Sometimes Wolfie has been made the scapegoat for defensive errors because it is easier to just blame the winger, especially in relation to defensive errors coming outside in. Usually Centres have the bigger name so get less of the blame for rushing up way too early.

Mark Gasnier left his winger posted often and every time the commentary would say "oh the winger should of jammed in following the centre", which in some cases is correct other times the centre is overly pro active.

If the winger just takes the simple approach and always moves up following his centre(which is trained, drilled and expected in most cases not all if the centre communicates otherwise) he can easily be exposed on the outside from a pass or kick and made to look as if he did not count numbers, if the winger hangs back and the attack goes through the hole left by not jamming in or causes the defensive line to slide due to not moving up (allowing the play to unfold with attacking numbers and not shutting it off early) the winger is to blame again.

Wolfie does offer strong early tackle count kick returns hits the defensive line hard and straight and would of finished off that disallowed try more times than not.

Are you saying the best defensive centre in the game doesn't know how to defend?

He wouldn't let in 90% of the tries he's conceded down his sides if he just followed killers lead. Wolfman is not hitting late, or getting there too slow, he's going way too early and often hitting the wrong guy. He stands too wide and too much space, he needs to stand closer to begin with and then chase out.

Did I say that, all I am saying is the wing position way too often gets the blame and centres with big names get away with more blunders in defence.

Williams does have issues but it is not always his fault, there are times when a lack of communication is evident, yes he follows the centres lead as all wingers generally do. Yes Williams does come in early often but that is not to say the communication is up to par in many instances also which the centre has to take part of the blame.

Way too often I see centres come in and jam way beyond what is necessary---I'm in favour of this defence but not to the extent of what some centres move in--- it is crazy at times.

There is a fine line you don't want to be sliding backwards on your try line and not shut off the play before the attacking numbers overwhelm the defence but at times a little more composure is necessary.

Further up the field you can get away with jamming in early--- if the attack gets on the outside of the centre he then slides slide across and tells the winger to hold which happens often----or the inside defenders slide behind the jamming in centre to help out the winger also.

I just see in the modern game a little too much emphasis on overly jamming in both from the winger and centre creating an overlap that was never going to happen.

Jamming up and in is necessary Manly and Melb over the past 7 years have done it better than most and basically pioneered the modern version of it. Manly needed to improve this area in 2008 to beat the Storm and get on top of the Storms pet plays which they did.

 

[Alan]

Peta is composed class but just lacks spark and commitment to a hole/line run when in the red zone.


He wouldn't let in 90% of the tries he's conceded down his sides if he just followed killers lead. Wolfman is not hitting late, or getting there too slow, he's going way too early and often hitting the wrong guy. He stands too wide and too much space, he needs to stand closer to begin with and then chase out.

Case closed, if he is hitting the "wrong guy" then he must have a choice of two or more, which means the mistake or misread was made long before they got to wolfie.

 

[The Who]

In the NSW Cup Wolfman rushed up at least three times that I saw and completely left his opposing winger open. However, it worked. He spooked the passer into throwing away possession, and three 'certain' tries were averted. In first grade the chance of success for this defensive move is less likely, and it looks terrible when the winger strolls over unopposed.
That's how the Wolfman defends. When it comes off I don't think he gets the credit.
Having said all that, I think Hiku, and Blair, have now edged ahead of Wolfman for first grade selection. He's is a wonderful player and clubman. I hope he is still enjoying his football, which must be hard when you are used to winning.

 

[Kiwi Eagle]

In the NSW Cup Wolfman rushed up at least three times that I saw and completely left his opposing winger open. However, it worked. He spooked the passer into throwing away possession, and three 'certain' tries were averted. In first grade the chance of success for this defensive move is less likely, and it looks terrible when the winger strolls over unopposed.
That's how the Wolfman defends. When it comes off I don't think he gets the credit.
Having said all that, I think Hiku, and Blair, have now edged ahead of Wolfman for first grade selection. He's is a wonderful player and clubman. I hope he is still enjoying his football, which must be hard when you are used to winning.

The thing is half the time if he does stay on his winger as you mentioned above to stop him going over unopossed, then the centre runs through and scores without a hand on him

It is not as simple as "Williams cant defend" which most people trot out

 

[Brissie Kid]

NRL star David Williams could be squeezed out as Manly Sea Eagles look for way to keep Glenn Stewart

April 15, 2014 - 5:47PM
Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

Former NSW and Australia representative David Williams could be squeezed out of Manly as the club struggles to balance the books for next year.

Williams was dumped to the NSW Cup on Sunday following the return of winger Jorge Taufua from injury. The other wing spot went to Peta Hiku, who is poised to sign a three-year extension this week despite a more lucrative offer from the Warriors.

Williams recently signed a two-year extension but it's understood Manly management will not stand in his way should he request a release. The "Wolfman" could dig his heels in but he is rated the third-choice winger for the Sea Eagles and faces the prospect of seeing out his contract in the NSW Cup unless injuries or form conspire against the incumbents. It's understood Manly powerbrokers plan to discuss the matter with Williams' management this week.

The Sea Eagles are keen to retain Glenn Stewart but don't have room under the salary cap to table him an offer. Officials have spoken to his management about the possibility of keeping him should other players be released. However, the grand finalists are already over the cap for next year and, even if Williams departed, those funds alone wouldn't be available for Stewart's retention.

Manly have been arguably the most dominant club of the past decade, a constant finalist and winner of two grand finals. Former coach Des Hasler was able to retain the nucleus of the squad by back-ending contracts. The practice has proven successful but has left the current management with a problem as it tries to strike a balance between rewarding those responsible for past success while retaining enough talented youngsters to ensure the good times continue.

Other Sea Eagles off contract this year include Jamie Buhrer and Tom Symonds. Players becoming free agents the following season include Daly Cherry-Evans, Kieran Foran, Justin Horo and Steve Matai.

For Stewart to be made an offer, the club would most likely need to move on at least three players. Even then, the NRL could deem the contract does not reflect his status and refuse to register it.

The good news for Manly is Hiku is close to a deal. A big step towards agreement came when Hiku was preferred to Williams against Cronulla, outlining a clear career path for a man who has done a fine job at fullback covering Brett Stewart's injuries.

"It'd be really good to stay and play at Manly," Hiku told Sky Sports Radio.

"Everyone there has brought me in well, it'd be tough to leave. My manager called me last night, hopefully we can get something sorted this week. We'll just see what happens there."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-star-david-williams-could-be-squeezed-out-as-manly-sea-eagles-look-for-way-to-keep-glenn-stewart-20140415-zqv4n.html

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Bye Wolfie, thanks for the memories

 

[manlyfan76]

Bye Wolfie, thanks for the memories

Ouch. Is that all you can muster for Wolfie Mark? I understand players must come n go due to the cap but Wolfie, in my eyes, deserves a bit more appreciation. He broke his neck trying to score for Manly FFS!

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No offense, I just think ppl can be a bit cold at times in these situations.

 

[Brissie Kid]

The salary cap is making everyone in the game heartless.

 

[HappilyManly]

Wolfie is on peanuts, but he still would need to be paid out, so the Cap won't reduce at all

With all the negativity, I hope he does retire and gets on with the next stanza of his creative life

Why risk your health and be denigrated in the process :dodgy:

The brotherhood at Manly is all talk. Kitey gave it to Matai on the NRL.com today too, basically that 'where were you, dipshyte, when my retention was an issue?'