Aloiai Gone

Still, they are the same type of person, and often the exact same person.
Inexcusable generalisation.
And frankly an appalling diversion of the Josh Aloiai thread.
As for the ethnic cleansing you refer to - I never heard of it.
If you think we should know about it/or think we shouldn't care about Palestine ... the General discussion thread is the place to make your points
 
I do not have the same respect for his backward beliefs in the above video or this one
Can't access the Insta one and only watched 1st five minutes of second one... which is enough to agree with you 100%
The club was at fault for not discussing the plan for the inclusivity jersey, knowing a lot of the players in the squad are from very different culture
But the culture he talks about is repressive and harmful. So long Josh, thanks for playing for Manly, but I can't wish you success as a preacher of discrimination
 
Didn’t like him when he joined and his lawn mower antics, didn’t like him when he was playing with his poor discipline and handling at crucial moments and I still don’t like him on the way out bringing religion into sports.

At the bottom of my Manly playlist with the likes of Myles, Field and Mullane.
 
Cya Oshay, thanks for your efforts. Seems the 'tolerant' leftists are more hatefult than Josh ever was. He wasn't hateful, just wouldn't stand for something that goes against his beliefs. Don't know if I'd have the balls to do the same if my employer put me in the same position, so respect for that.
 
I'm disappointed with the club for jerseygate, not the players. I respect the players for having the stones to stand up for what they believe in, and they should have never been in the position to make that decision in the first place.

I'm not going to miss Aloiai but he was a decent player.
 
I respect him as a player and appreciate what he sacrificed for the club.

I do not have the same respect for his backward beliefs in the above video or this one

Why are his beliefs backward? You have your beliefs, he has his & I have mine. End of story. You seem to dislike him, I don’t. Some say he was useless, I believe the opposite. No one is perfect. All I know is we missed his presence on the field this year big time! Good luck to the guy
 
Why are his beliefs backward? You have your beliefs, he has his & I have mine. End of story. You seem to dislike him, I don’t. Some say he was useless, I believe the opposite. No one is perfect. All I know is we missed his presence on the field this year big time! Good luck to the guy
I respect what he did on the field for the club - If you watch his views in both the videos posted and agree with them then you and I will have to agree to disagree

Without going back through the whole rainbow saga all I will say is check out what a Manly champion, Ian Roberts, thinks about views like his
 
I respect what he did on the field for the club - If you watch his views in both the videos posted and agree with them then you and I will have to agree to disagree

Without going back through the whole rainbow saga all I will say is check out what a Manly champion, Ian Roberts, thinks about views like his
Yep agree to disagree….it’s his right to believe & stand by those beliefs. Ian Roberts was & always will be a Manly great. What he believes is his business & his right! No one disputes that at all. If the boot was on the other foot would you call Roberts a great? You honestly think Aloiai is the only league player with those beliefs? I dare say many think his way, just as many think Robert’s way!! Life goes on mate & peoples beliefs will not change or matter!
 
I respect what he did on the field for the club - If you watch his views in both the videos posted and agree with them then you and I will have to agree to disagree

Without going back through the whole rainbow saga all I will say is check out what a Manly champion, Ian Roberts, thinks about views like his

BUT ... the big difference is .... Josh didn't try to force anybody to publicly wear a Christian jersey .. (against their wishes) ... supporting, or taking pride in his beliefs ... he simply had the courage to say no thanks.
 
I dislike him, but not because of his religious views or convictions. I don’t agree with them but also don’t care what he thinks. However, he was ill disciplined on the field and perpetually injured, which meant he cost more than he contributed. He comes across an arrogant tough guy without the runs on the board to support such a persona; for these reasons, I’m glad we have seen the back of him.
 
BUT ... the big difference is .... Josh didn't try to force anybody to publicly wear a Christian jersey .. (against their wishes) ... supporting, or taking pride in his beliefs ... he simply had the courage to say no thanks.

There is no point going over this again and again

We disagree on this topic...and that is okay for us to disagree on.
 
BUT ... the big difference is .... Josh didn't try to force anybody to publicly wear a Christian jersey .. (against their wishes) ... supporting, or taking pride in his beliefs ... he simply had the courage to say no thanks.
We went through all this before, during and after the whole "Jerseygate" drama, so there's very little point in going over any of it again.

But… Nobody tried to force Josh to wear a "Gayness is Great" jersey. He, and the other Manly players who sided with him, were asked to wear a Manly jersey, and because that jersey had rainbow-coloured stripes on it, and was said to be promoting tolerance and inclusivity, they refused.

A team jersey is exactly that: a team jersey. It is not a symbol of individual freedom and expression. If it has a sponsor's name on it, it does not mean every player fully endorses that sponsor or its product. If it attempts to promote a cause or initiative - say, Indigenous Round or the Women in League Round, or anything else - it does not mean that individual players support and endorse those causes. The clubs and the NRL endorse those causes. But the players? I'm certain plenty of anti-women and "Why do I have to be welcomed to my own bloody country?" types have worn Women in League and Indigenous Round jerseys over the years, and as far as I'm aware, none of them ever felt the need to stand up for their "culture" or "individual beliefs" and refused to wear those jerseys.

As for "courage", I'm not so sure that being anti-gay is all that courageous in this day and age. Or that it ever was. I suspect Josh, who fancies himself as a bit of "anti-woke" crusader, saw an opportunity to politicise something that should have never been politicised and took it. The club's uselessness, a controversy-loving media, and the NRL's weakness did the rest.

And what an absolute f@cking debacle it was. Nothing good came out of it.

But none of that was the sole responsibility or fault of Josh Aloiai, and we should try to remember his contributions on the field for the club. At his best, he was a hard-running, hard-hitting, no-nonsense forward - exactly the type of player we could have used a lot more of over the last couple of years. Injuries were never kind to him, and I'm not sure we ever really got full value out of him, but having to medically retire is a cruel end to a career.

I wish him happiness, health and fulfilment for the future. And I sincerely hope his next job does not require him to wear a uniform of any kind.
 

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