ASADA Going Shark Fishing

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Manly1973 said:
What A Farking Joke,

Flanagan wasn’t even coaching the sharks in 2011 and from all accounts good judges say he is one of the good guys of the league world this aint his style.

This has turned into a beat up of massive proportions the government wants a few scalps forget about ruining all the codes of sports across Australia in an election year which is absolutely unwinnable for the labor government and have every Australian sportsman’s sportswomen have a ? over their names for a very long time is an utter disgrace,

Put simply politics and sport don’t mix the government is in our lives to much already.

If someone or clubs are guilty then farking name them, punish them and lets all move on if not then,

GET THE FARK OUT OF OUR LIVES AND OUR SPORTS.

Aim over the way there handling this.

Flanagan was the assistant coach at that time

Tbh I am starting to get a bit nervous about this again now

What does give me a bit of confidence is how vocal our club has been since day 1 of the allegations about this, compare that to the Sharks who have played the no comment game since day 1, I think they knew they were in strife
 
MWSE said:
The Government didn't stand down Flanno. Cronulla did. If anything, this is starting to prove that this isn't a beat up.

Feel free to dispute the fact that not one single criminal charge has come from the "blackest day in Australian sporting history"?

ASADA and ACC now looking for scapegoats. Pretty clear stuff.
 
WAMF said:
MWSE said:
The Government didn't stand down Flanno. Cronulla did. If anything, this is starting to prove that this isn't a beat up.

Feel free to dispute the fact that not one single criminal charge has come from the "blackest day in Australian sporting history"?

ASADA and ACC now looking for scapegoats. Pretty clear stuff.

Like others have said, dominoes fall until you get to the big fish. Patience is a virtue. However you very obviously have zero time for this investigation and the possible outcomes.
 
Will have to agree to disagree WAMF

Not sure how they are looking for scapegoats when it appears as if there is a serious issue at the sharks

We al knew it was going to take time from the press conference before there were results (an it may have been part of the plan / not)

I can not escape the sense that this is going to get bigger and not end here
 
It may well get bigger lsz. But I'll keep coming back to the fact that there has yet to be a single criminal charge laid in relation to any of this. All I now see is ASADA putting massive pressure on the Sharks to force their players to stand down via self incrimination.
The Sharks are trying to make the players sign a waiver that they won't sue the club and in return, the players will still get paid and each have an additional year placed on their contracts with the club.

Why would the Sharks be willing to effectively extend the contracts of drug cheats?
Can't you see something smells terribly foul?
 
The rumours implicating Manly are obviously false.

As if a Beaver would have rolled over on his ex team mates. Lol, PLEASE!!
 
Why would any political party make these sort of allegations? It's not going to win them any friends, so there must be some substance to these allegations.

Trying to make this ASADA/ACC issue a political thing just won't wash.

I'm sure there's more damning stuff to come.
 
NRL issues support package to Sharks
http://www.nrl.com/nrl-issues-support-package-to-sharks/tabid/10874/newsid/71050/default.aspx

Mr Smith also today reiterated that the Sharks would field a team against the Gold Coast Titans this weekend.

“Earlier this week we asked ASADA to provide us with the names of any player it currently has sufficient evidence to request the NRL issue an infraction notice under our anti-doping code.

“The response we received back from ASADA was that its investigation continues and will for a number of weeks.

“ASADA indicated it is not currently in a position to request the NRL to issue any infraction notices. Without an infraction notice, the NRL will not stand down any player.

“Like players and fans, we share the frustrations they are feeling as the ASADA investigation continues.

“We would like to see a resolution and have today urged ASADA to move as quickly as possible.”
 
Even the NRL have said no player will be stood down without an official infraction notice from ASADA. That means ASADA now need to prove guilt rather than blackmailing players to self incriminate.
 
Brissie Kid said:
Anyone explain why Essendon aren't copping same as Sharks?

Yeah, because the players would not ingest anything unless the club provided them with a signed document to state that what they were ingesting was legal to consume (their players association put this in place)
 
An ill-advised confession to drug taking could lead to a life ban

Date March 8, 2013
Jacquelin Magnay

THE Cronulla players have rightly refused to sign a legal document confessing to drug taking in return for a supposed reduction in sentence – and full pay – because such conditions are not on the table from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.

The players should be seeking independent legal advice, rather than rely on a Sharks representative, who, despite his drugs background and understanding of the process, is acting in the interests of the club.

There has been an avalanche of misinformation about the sports drugs process involved in this investigation, which started with a year-long secret surveillance by the Australian Crime Commission.

The critical fallacy is that the drug was "legal" in 2011 when the players were taking it. This is wrong. Peptide hormones and their chemical cousins are banned and were also banned in 2011 under the World Anti-Doping Agency code.

Advertisement Another misconception is that players who "confess" will automatically be given a reduced sentence. ASADA doesn't give unconditional guarantees about the length of sentence because each case is considered on its merits. Such a consideration for a shorter time out of the game will occur only after a player is formally charged by the ASADA for a drugs offence. And those discussions will be directly between ASADA and the player, or his legal representative, in top secrecy, not with someone appointed by the Sharks club. Such is the heavy-handed nature of the laws surrounding the ASADA Act, anyone from the Sharks administration – or the NRL – claiming to know of which players are involved and the circumstances of their drugs involvement, are committing a criminal offence.

The players should be acutely aware, too, that any reduction in the mandatory two-year drugs ban is only given in exceptional circumstances. And some players might be horrified to discover that if any of them have been caught encouraging the use of the peptides in any of the taped phone conversations, or if their abuse of the drugs was extensive and systemic, they could be classified as being traffickers and the length of their suspension may not be two years, but an end to their sporting career.

Confessing to taking drugs, sadly, is not exceptional in the sports world. However, in any deal making with ASADA, players would have to come forward with who supplied the drug, how often they were taking it and who else was taking it. Names, dates, places – all of the details – would have to be divulged.

The Sharks club has supposedly offered the carrot to players promising they will continue to be paid if they come forward – a cheaper option for the club than having to defend any breach-of-trust claims in court, but again such an offer, while tempting, is not permitted.

Earning any income from sport is illegal under the ASADA code for the length of the ban. Apart from being legally prevented from being paid, they can't be involved in any club activities, sponsor promotions or even train with teammates.

Of course the Sharks club, and indeed the other five rugby league clubs involved in this peptide drug-taking scandal, are attempting to minimise the fallout. But the players should be conscious that – just like believing club officials that the substance is OK and they won't test positive – the interests of the club can be very different from their personal circumstances.

Jacquelin Magnay is Olympics editor of the London Telegraph



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/an-illadvised-confession-to-drug-taking-could-lead-to-a-life-ban-20130308-2fqvh.html#ixzz2MvnlVbZx
 
WAMF said:
Even the NRL have said no player will be stood down without an official infraction notice from ASADA. That means ASADA now need to prove guilt rather than blackmailing players to self incriminate.

That was always going to be the case. Unless you chose to listen to and believe what Hadley, The Grill Team, or any other News Ltd. outlet had to say.
 
Napper said:
The rumours implicating Manly are obviously false.
It was a dumb rumour. What were the chances that a press conference at shark headquarters would implicated other clubs
 

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