Ashes Tour

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Lyon showed more in 2 overs than Agar showed in 2 tests. Unbelievable he didn't play the 1st 2 tests, regardless of any personality issues he may have

Set up for a big day today. You'd have to back the draw from here as England are a very hard side to bowl out twice. My gut feel is that Trott will produce a Clarke innings and kill the game

Will be interesting to see how Clarke approaches the 3rd innings of this test considering you need the result

It seems the DRS issues have the players spooked a bit with Bresnan not sending his one upstairs at the end of the day
 
well trott failed, Harris proved again that he is just a great bowler, if only he could play wihtout injury

draw is looking more and more likely
 
Fluffy said:
draw is looking more and more likely

Agreed Fluffy. Will be interesting to see what happens if Aus are able to get these last 3 wickets within 33 runs.
Will Australia enforce the follow on? The bowlers would be pretty tired and would no doubt like a rest. But if Australia are any chance of winning, I think they need to enforce the follow on.
Or do they play it safe and bat England out of the game? Clarke has always said we are here to win, but is he prepared to chase the win and risk a loss.
 
I would be batting again, English pitches do tend to make 4th innings scores very hard and we are too much of a chance on not being able to chase down even 100 on the last day with Swann bowling.

I would be trying to knock up 200 or so in quick time and would change the batting line up to suit ie Warned in after 15 overs and give them close to 400 to chase in 3 1/2 sessions. We should be able to knock them over in 100 overs on the last day
 
Have to bat again

I have witnessed a lot over the past 6 months that this England side has a lot of resolve, you won't bowl them out back to back with enough time to win the game with whatever they are ahead

Best way would to set them something that will leave around 300 on the final day to win, needs to be a total that gives them a sniff rather than them having the mindset the runs are out of reach so they shut up shop

Loved watching the sour look on Twattos face all day as he was bowling
 
England's time wasting tactics reminded me of why I hate them (cricket wise) so much.

Umpires calling the play off for bad light will/has gotten a lot of press.

At that time, aust scoring at 6 runs an over (so no danger to them)

Floodlights were on (don't they play day/nighters anymore?)

And ump's offered eng to just bowl spin which unsurprisingly and unsportsmanlike-ly they said no. Not sure why Clarke couldn't then have declared and to the umpire's he'll just bowl spin.

1 day to go but sure eng are the better team but this whole ashes series has been an undignified, ill played, technological nightmare of a series. I need a shower just clicking on this thread

*showers*

Told you.
 
55 overs yesterday could be the difference but it would appear the umps have stepped in to help out the poms again. Definitely they are leading the betting for player of the series so far, they have been great for the poms.

Guess we will see tonight if we can get it back to 2 - 1
 
Fair enough for England to walk off if offered spin only, no way they should compromise their own game plan just to give Australia a shot at more overs

The setup as it is now is the only way you could win anyway so might work out better, 330 gives England an incentive to go for it, 400+ and they just shut up shop and bat the day out offering very few chances
 
+$5 for betting wife that kiwi will post 'fair enough' comment.

-$5 for betting there'd be a reference to underarm bowling.

Broke even, lol.

love the KE! (in a manly way) - no pun intended

:angel:

As the series is on the line and the aussies were happy with pace bowling...and the lights were on...no way should the players have been dragged off by the pom biased umpires
 
Definite noise when the ball passes the bat, hotspot gets nothing but snicko proves it to be a faint edge.

Why don't they use snicko? Its perfect for ones like that where the bat is no where near the pad or ground.
 
KP was out.
Do you hear Brett just say that the batsman now have specials skins on their bats that minimises the affect of hotspot.
 
well.... eng 3 down for 37 with both reviews used up.

Starts to rain and that's it. Eng retain the ashes.

It would be appropriate if the little trophy was hollow as the end to the most farcical ashes series is over. And funnily enough, because of it, I find myself not caring super much. Oh I know the poms and kiwi's will rejoice at yet another victory over aust and good on them but, super yawn.
 
Sad end to the series and really kinda sucks since the series was between to somewhat even teams but the umpires got too involved and tainted it before the weather.

The return series in Aus will really test these poms and I think we will be slight favourites. Swann will not be taking as many wickets outside of teh SCG so that will even things up and our batsman will be better at home.
 
globaleagle said:
well.... eng 3 down for 37 with both reviews used up.

Starts to rain and that's it. Eng retain the ashes.

It would be appropriate if the little trophy was hollow as the end to the most farcical ashes series is over. And funnily enough, because of it, I find myself not caring super much. Oh I know the poms and kiwi's will rejoice at yet another victory over aust and good on them but, super yawn.

Farcical because they went off for bad light ? Umpiring decisions haven't all gone the 1 way and that doesn't detract from any cricket for me, same as when the umpires cost us a series win over you lot in 2001 ;)

Has been a good series so far and I'm sure the last 2 will provide more of the same
 
drs mistakes, umpire stuff ups, blatant pitch doctoring, unsportsmanlike (cowardly) go slows, = farcical. Not just the ridiculous bad light decision. (which, I know you know as you know I never attributed the farcical ashes tag just to the bad light decision - y'know.)


so :p


However, rejoice with your antipodean brethen! (although technically that'd be Spain.)
 
You would have considered nearly every single series held in Australia before neutral umpires farcical then GE ;)

I dont get this whole pitch doctoring thing ? Both teams have to play on it and I haven't seen any major changes to the same pitches that I watched when we toured there and when they played South Africa last year

Maybe the grapes are just tasting a touch sour :p haha


If we want to talk about farcical then how about Watto being an automatic pic :)

Averaging 24 with the bat and 114 with the ball
 
A couple of good articles on Cricinfo

England v Australia, 3rd Investec Test, Old Trafford, 5th day
Australia show their truer colours

The recent run of defeats has made people think Australia are worse than they are. Old Trafford was a fairer reflection on their standing, but they must continue to improve over the rest of this series

Brydon Coverdale at Old Trafford

August 5, 2013

As the supervillain Hank Scorpio sagely observed while counselling Homer Simpson in his under-siege bunker, you can't argue with the little things. "It's the little things that make up life," he says, while his headquarters burns and crumbles around him. It is tempting to look at the past year and think Australian cricket is a similar smouldering wreck. At Lord's and in India, the resemblance was uncanny. Elsewhere in the Investec Ashes, and against South Africa last summer, the little things have hurt.

A better forecast here, another wicket there - it could have been a pretty good year for Australia. Of course, hypotheticals change nothing. Australia didn't beat South Africa, were embarrassed in India and have now failed to regain the Ashes. Since the start of their last home summer, Australia have played 13 Tests against four teams and have not won a match against anyone but Sri Lanka. The statistic is damning, but also damn deceptive. It doesn't tell how close they have come.

Yes, this is a squad whose worst is woeful and has been for several years. From 47 all out in Cape Town to a historic loss to New Zealand in Hobart, from a series of humiliations in India to another debacle at Lord's, it is a side that finds ways to sink to new lows. It is a team that also finds ways to threaten the world's best. They outplayed South Africa in Brisbane and Adelaide, but turned neither into a victory, and with a weakened attack were crushed in Perth.

On this trip, they were a Brad Haddin tickle away from winning at Trent Bridge, and a few rainclouds from a victory push at Old Trafford. They travel to Durham at 0-2; had a few quirks of fate fallen differently it could have been 2-1 to Australia. But that would have been misleading, as misleading as if they'd lost in Manchester and become the first Australia team in 125 years to lose seven straight Tests. They are not that bad. But nor are they 2-1 good.

The best reflection of where Michael Clarke's team stands is the ICC Test rankings, where they sit fourth. There is no shame in that, but no pride either. And they cannot expect to rise beyond that while their batting relies so heavily on Clarke. He is the reason they can compete with the teams above them. It was no coincidence that Australia's most threatening performance so far on this tour came when Clarke scored big at Old Trafford.

At times, he takes other batsmen with him. Against South Africa at the Gabba, his 259 was accompanied by hundreds from Ed Cowan and Michael Hussey. In the next Test in Adelaide, his 230 was supported by another century from Hussey and one from David Warner. Here, his 187 came alongside contributions, though not tons, from Chris Rogers and Steven Smith.

During Clarke's captaincy the only batsmen outside Hussey to score Test tons in an innings when Clarke hasn't have been Warner, Matthew Wade and Shaun Marsh. Warner is the only one to have done so against top four opposition - India at the WACA. Until the rest of Australia's batsmen find ways to score big when Clarke doesn't, they will struggle to beat the best sides.

Clarke said after the Old Trafford draw that he felt the gap between Australia and England was minimal. In bowling, yes. In batting, no. Clarke remains Australia's only centurion; England have had two tons from Ian Bell and one each from Joe Root and Kevin Pietersen. That the most prolific scorer of centuries in their squad, Alastair Cook, is yet to make one in this series only highlights England's batting depth and quality.

Shane Watson is Australia's second most experienced batsman but his role remains fluid, and for some time has been more water than wine. Rogers and Smith showed signs of batting big in Manchester but could not go on. Usman Khawaja is yet to make a serious impression on Test cricket and Warner's role needs to be defined.

For now, the Ashes are gone, but the next series starts later this year. The next two Tests at Chester-le-Street and The Oval are a chance for Australia's batsmen to show they are Test quality, to prove that players beyond Clarke can bat big. To give England pause for thought ahead of the return series. Using the next two Tests to settle on a batting order would help, for that has been as changeable as the Manchester weather.

Australia move on to Durham without the Ashes, but at least they are not in a smouldering wreck.

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here
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England v Australia, 3rd Investec Test, Old Trafford, 4th day
Australia still don't make much sense

If the rain holds off Australia could still win this Test and keep the Ashes alive, but a lot of their decisions continue to suggest confused thinking

Jarrod Kimber at Old Trafford


David Warner replaced Shane Watson at the top of the order. A solid gold pony, a woman wearing a Punisher costume could have just as easily replaced him or Hank Williams singing "Your Cheatin' Heart". Australia are in deep panic mode this Ashes. They have created a situation where nothing could surprise. They're gambling with Test wins and players' careers by keeping their team on random.

There was logic to sending Warner in to open the batting in this situation. Australia needed quick runs. Warner opens the batting in Twenty20 and limited-overs cricket for Australia. But so does Watson.

Chris Rogers doesn't open for either of those sides. He never will. Rogers doesn't even play in the Big Bash that often. In the entire history of the Big Bash, he has played eight matches. So why was Rogers still opening and Watson was not? Someone on Twitter suggested it was because Rogers was a better runner between wickets than Watson. It was a ludicrous suggestion, except that, it made as much sense as anything.

You could suggest form. Rogers was stroking the ball around the field with glee and pomp in the first innings. Watson sat on his bat like it was a prop for much of his innings. But Watson is Watson, and an out-of-form Watson could have sprung to life with a bit of freedom and a chance to dominate. This could have brought him back to form, back to life. His chance to be the Shane Watson he should be. Instead he watched Rogers make 12 off 23 balls, and then Usman Khawaja come out to bat ahead of him. Of the top four, Watson would end with the top strike rate.

Australia are still in a good position to win this Test. They also had plenty of chances to win the first. They are not as bad as Lord's showed, nor as good as their ninth-wicket partnerships suggested. With a few more flukey runs they win the first Test, and they are one England collapse away from winning this one. This against a team that out does them in almost every single important thing.

They have flaws and weakness in their team. But many teams do. What they have mostly is a completely random and unexplainable way of making decisions. Perhaps some of this isn't their fault. A coach got dropped on them a few minutes before the first Test. One who had a very different way of looking at cricket from the previous coach, and was a completely different personality. Had Australia decided to allow all coaching decisions to be made via a sponsor's app (not out of the question), it would have only slightly made things more complicated.

It started with Steven Smith being picked from outside the squad for the first Test. All the selectors saw Smith bat in India; if they had wanted him to play, they would have picked him for the squad. It was the new management that wanted him to play. But once he had batted at Trent Bridge, the thought that he wasn't even in the squad to begin with was an obvious error.

Ashton Agar was picked out of the squad too, and also out of the ether. There is no doubt that part of the reason that Agar was picked was because of his batting. But he batted at No. 11. It turned out he batted at No. 11 like a magic pixie dream girl. But why bring in someone to solidify your batting, and bat him at 11? And why drop your senior bowler after taking nine wickets. And why pick a 19-year-old over him?

In the second innings, Agar was promoted ahead of Peter Siddle and Mitchell Starc in the batting order. Starc had made 99 a few Test innings before. Siddle had made back-to-back Test fifties and a first-class hundred. It was the sort of move you make as you hum, "Do you believe in magic?" to yourself.

After that Test Australia dropped Ed Cowan, despite it being his first attempt at batting at No. 3, and with full knowledge that he had spent the entire first Test vomiting. His entire bile-inducing Test was enough to show he wasn't good enough for three. Starc was dropped despite taking five wickets and having the luxury of having a five (or six with Smith) man bowling attack. Starc was seen as a bowler who took the pressure off England and was too random. He is now back, even though he plays the same.

Agar went from the saviour to the discarded in two Tests. His selection may have been odd, his 98 even odder. But to drop him after only one bad Test showed that his original selection was terrible. As talented as he is, he has now done more press opportunities than bowled quality deliveries in Test cricket. Despite mention of a hip injury, and his movement around the field looking more KP and Watson like than the smooth cougar moves of Agar, he bowled in the tour match against Sussex.

Phillip Hughes was dropped for the first third Test of his first Ashes. He was recalled for the third Test of his second Ashes. Now has been dropped for this third Test of his third Ashes. In many ways, this is one of the most consistent things Australian cricket has done in the last four years. In Hughes' last three Tests he has batted at No. 3, 4 and 5. This from a player who started as an opener. It's surprising he hasn't got confused and gone out at the wrong time. Now he has been dropped. Three whole innings after making an unbeaten 81 and very nearly stealing a Test.

Jonny Bairstow has played ten Tests and he averages 32. He has some technical problems with playing the ball across the line. If Bairstow was Australian he would have batted in many different positions in this series, and then been dropped already. Not just because Australia are losing. They would see his technique as a reason to drop him. A weakness they couldn't help. And in two Tests they would have seen enough and needed to move on. Even if England lose, and Bairstow fails again, there is a very good chance he won't be dropped.

England have only dropped one player this series. They thought Steven Finn let the pressure off. And they knew Tim Bresnan would keep it tighter. They were right.

"They were right" is not something the Australian management have been hearing much this Ashes. If the rain stays away, and they win this Test, they will have done it on the back of their captain and fast bowlers. It won't be a random win, and it won't be because of all these changes.

It will be in spite of them.

Jarrod Kimber is 50% of the Two Chucks, and the mind responsible for cricketwithballs.com
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On the BSB this morning Slats & TK were saying that the Chris Rogers experiment has not worked and that we would not be any worse off in the series if Phil Hughes had of opened. I will state from the outset that I am a Phil Hughes fan, and that at 24 he should be in the team over a 35yo Rogers. Phil's 81no in the first innings of the first test was the best knock of the innings. He showed a lot of maturity & fought really hard when batting with Agar. He is then out of the squad two tests later. WHY???

For the fourth test I bring Phil back in at the expense of Rogers. Hughes & Warner open with Watson & Clarke at 4 & 5.
 
Dunno if you guys have heard this joke but I thought it was pretty funny.
Where do the Poms stay when they tour South Africa??............................
.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................with their Mum and Dad's. :D
 

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