Fainu Off Field Drama

[conanu]

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You take a two day break and swap ST for a campfire and come back and read this.
I miss that campfire.
I'm not passing judgement on the 19 year old. Not because he plays for Manly, it would be the same if he played for any team or if he was the kid next door. If it was a 29 year old I'd think a lot differently.
Social media can ruin young peoples lives. It's changed everything about the way the kids need to be educated.
Sad. I Hope the girl is okay and the boy learns the right way to treat women which is more important than what footy team you support.

A pure drop of of sanity in an ocean of madness, Well done Niccipops!

 

[Volley]

The kid is Mormon, he has every right to claim a developmental disorder. He’s been a part of a cult his whole life, of course he has development issues.

 

[niccipops]

v

A pure drop of of sanity in an ocean of madness, Well done Niccipops!

Thank you.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

He is a foolish young man and we have really stupid people in charge at the moment. Thick as two bricks! Selecting him with knowledge of the charge is absolute dumb **** and completely lacks foresight. Just to be clear inviting the court to deal with the matter pursuant to Section 32, whilst not a plea of guilty requires the court to consider that he has done what is alleged, be satisfied by expert evidence that he has a medical condition that the condition has a casual connection to the conduct and results in the Court being satisfied it should exercise it's discretion and not to deal with the matter according to law and discharge him without conviction conditionally on an ongoing treatment plan. He's not denying anything at this point of time.

 

[Woodsie]

He is a foolish young man and we have really stupid people in charge at the moment. Thick as two bricks! Selecting him with knowledge of the charge is absolute dumb **** and completely lacks foresight. Just to be clear inviting the court to deal with the matter pursuant to Section 32, whilst not a plea of guilty requires the court to consider that he has done what is alleged, be satisfied by expert evidence that he has a medical condition that the condition has a casual connection to the conduct and results in the Court being satisfied it should exercise it's discretion and not to deal with the matter according to law and discharge him without conviction conditionally on an ongoing treatment plan. He's not denying anything at thAis point of time.

Not only did the NRL integrity unit (after perusing the known facts) come to the conclusion that there was no need to stand Fainu down prior to a court dealing with the issue ...... They went further, with that knowledge they then approved and registered his elevation into the top 30 ......

Anybody with the sense the good Lord gave a cabbage, would conclude therefore, that neither Manly or the NRL consider the gravity of the charges to be "career" ending .....

But hey ..... let's not stop that from the usual suspects using this another excuse to bag the **** out of our club ...... FMD .... who needs BuzzRothTurd and Parra fans to bag us ... we have our own whiteants ....

 

[manly al]

Maybe and ideally the lad is already trying to atone for his indiscretion and poor judgement and will have to be accountable and face up to his actions in a few weeks time . Just like Jack Wighton , he is entitled to natural justice and that should not exclude his opportunity to still continue with his footy career until the judicial process runs its course . While the present N R L administration is hardly a model of consistency and virtue ,they have set the parameters and guidelines on such matters and Manly in this instance is simply complying with them and also allowing him to get on with his footy playing in the interim .

 

[yokahontas]

He is a foolish young man and we have really stupid people in charge at the moment. Thick as two bricks! Selecting him with knowledge of the charge is absolute dumb **** and completely lacks foresight. Just to be clear inviting the court to deal with the matter pursuant to Section 32, whilst not a plea of guilty requires the court to consider that he has done what is alleged, be satisfied by expert evidence that he has a medical condition that the condition has a casual connection to the conduct and results in the Court being satisfied it should exercise it's discretion and not to deal with the matter according to law and discharge him without conviction conditionally on an ongoing treatment plan. He's not denying anything at this point of time.

The fact that there’s a possibility of being discharged without conviction at all should give you just the tiniest inkling that the severity of his actions is somewhat less than wallpapering the internet with revenge porn...which seems to be the path some people’s thoughts have gone down.

@niccipops was spot on, young people who haven’t yet reached full brain maturity do dumb things, this has been the case since time immemorial. Unfortunately social media has changed the landscape in terms of the nature and audience of some of these dumb decisions. Some youths of this age will make their dumb decisions with drugs, some with cars - sadly, in both those cases, a proportion will die as a result of their dumb decisions. Thank god most get an opportunity to learn from their mistakes and move on - which Fainu will (and should) get to do in this instance.

 

[Andrew..]

I read a really good article on Fainu a few months ago about him getting up in the dark to catch public transport from the outer western suburbs to Narrabeen every day and he came across as a very decent young man.
I'm certainly not trying to minimise his actions but let's not forget even good people occasionally make poor choices but ultimately it's what they do with those learned experiences that really count.
Football aside, let's hope this young man understands this concept and goes on to be a better person.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Not only did the NRL integrity unit (after perusing the known facts) come to the conclusion that there was no need to stand Fainu down prior to a court dealing with the issue ...... They went further, with that knowledge they then approved and registered his elevation into the top 30 ......

Anybody with the sense the good Lord gave a cabbage, would conclude therefore, that neither Manly or the NRL consider the gravity of the charges to be "career" ending .....

But hey ..... let's not stop that from the usual suspects using this another excuse to bag the **** out of our club ...... FMD .... who needs BuzzRothTurd and Parra fans to bag us ... we have our own whiteants ....

Don’t think for one minute the NRL didn’t suspect we would get smashed by the press when word came out. They would have been rubbing their hands together waiting for it to surface. In view of all the bad press we gave incurred this could have been avoided and IMO it was a very poor decision. I am not a white ant I’m sick of the dumb short sighted decision making.

 

[Woodsie]

Don’t think for one minute the NRL didn’t suspect we would get smashed by the press when word came out. They would have been rubbing their hands together waiting for it to surface. In view of all the bad press we gave incurred this could have been avoided and IMO it was a very poor decision. I am not a white ant I’m sick of the dumb short sighted decision making.

Seriously, it was an NRL conspiracy ....... that is your theory .... heaven help us then .... we are doomed .....

.... maybe your right .... we should have torn up his contract and have watched him being signed by another club before he even got home .... that would have been brilliant long sighted management .....

 

[globaleagle]

@niccipops was spot on, young people who haven’t yet reached full brain maturity do dumb things,

I became a mod.

 

[Woodsie]

The charges most certainly aren't career ending Woodsie, however the moment Fainu pleaded to have the case dealt with under mental health issues opens the club to the questions about him now being fit enough to play footy.

The charges are serious.

As Kent suggests, the club is supporting Fainu by saying he isn't mentally capable of being held accountable for his actions in a normal court of law... But what, he's mysteriously ok to debut with all this hanging over his head?...doesn't make sense and reeks of a real lack of grasping the situation.

The integrity unit are the foot soldiers of Intoddgrity... I wouldn't be using them as a basis for how we should model our club.
The public and media don't question the integrity units choices... They question the clubs.

The club really should have had the backbone to just let the kid deal with the seriousness of the court case prior to making his debut....my opinion of course.

What tactics Fainu's lawyer convinces the kid to adopt to maximise his defence ..... and the real world are not necessarily the same thing ... also this has been known for 6 weeks .... during that 6 week period I am sure they have held many discussions with Fainu and the decision to play would have been made in consultation ..... I would probably think given his age his family were also involved in the final outcome ....

Fact is .. we don't know all the facts ..... to have it as all Manly's fault, and aren't we incompetent ..... as an automatic fallback position is just ludicrous ...

Comments like ... "Manly should have the backbone" ... are deplorable .....

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

A lot of misinformation in this thread about section 32 and a lot of jumping to conclusions about what has actually happened.

Fact is .. we don't know all the facts ..... to have it as all Manly's fault, and aren't we incompetent ..... as an automatic fallback position is just ludicrous ...

I agree!

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Seriously, it was an NRL conspiracy ....... that is your theory .... heaven help us then .... we are doomed .....

.... maybe your right .... we should have torn up his contract and have watched him being signed by another club before he even got home .... that would have been brilliant long sighted management .....

I never suggested we tear up his contract Woodsie. IMO We shouldn't have elevated him into the top 30 with that hanging over his head.

 

[wombatgc]

He is a foolish young man and we have really stupid people in charge at the moment. Thick as two bricks! Selecting him with knowledge of the charge is absolute dumb **** and completely lacks foresight. Just to be clear inviting the court to deal with the matter pursuant to Section 32, whilst not a plea of guilty requires the court to consider that he has done what is alleged, be satisfied by expert evidence that he has a medical condition that the condition has a casual connection to the conduct and results in the Court being satisfied it should exercise it's discretion and not to deal with the matter according to law and discharge him without conviction conditionally on an ongoing treatment plan. He's not denying anything at this point of time.

I'm glad someone with a bit of legal nouse was able to explain section 32 and it's implications.

 

[fLIP]

Its a bit much to see the club culture card dragged back into the spotlight.

What Manase did cant be stopped by the club. You dont just sit a teenager down and say dont do anything stupid and they never will.

When you f**k someone and put it on the internet like he has, you cant single out the club, that kind of behaviour was ingrained into him long before he probably even touched a footy.

These kids dont live in front a CCTV and their surveillance team is on the walkie talkie dishing out behavioural corrections.


Promoting him into the main squad, well thats a whole other story.

 

[qldeagle]

Obviously SNAPCHAT is to blame here.

The pressure these poor kids are under to get "LIKES" on these social media platforms have driven some to make poor choices.

If we need to stone someone to death, let it be Snapchat or his equally evil cousin Facebook.

Heaven forbid that they should take responsibility for their own actions

 

[Woodsie]

Not sure I've said it was all Manlys fault. The club is only dealing with this mess because a stupid decision made by a young man.

My point is that Manly has handled the fallout terribly...in my opinion. This may differ to you.

Regardless of who was involved, someone on the clubs behalf should have said "you know what, this situation isn't a great one for anyone involved, if the kids not mentally fit enough to answer to a court of law (at least that's the perception given section 32), he isn't fit enough to debut for first grade with this hanging over him".
The club is in a bad way and I'm shocked that the club took this pathway knowing there would be public and media backlash.

All I have is my own opinion Woodsie. Apologies if you find it deplorable.

I know if I was coaching a kid who had done what has been alledged, I would have stood him down pending the process. It's not only best for the girl in question and the club but also Fainu who obviously doesn't feel as though he can answer the charge in a normal court of law.
Standing kids down prematurely makes a statement to everyone. It defines your culture. What's acceptable and what's not.

Regardless of reality and what the legal advice is, he has publicly admitted mental health issues... therefore that is the perception.

I find the kids actions deplorable.
I find the clubs handling of this situation (and others this year) deplorable.

Each to their own.

He has played the last 6 weeks with this "hanging over him" ..... and the world hasn't ended ....

maybe all of us should just get over ourselves and the let the people with the facts deal with it .....

... my personal view is the hardest thing Fainu probably had to deal with is the reaction from his mother ....

 

[HoldenV8]

The sex tape replays in slow motion are priceless feathered friend

Just watch "Fritz the Cat" and be done with it

 

[lsz]

Not sure I've said it was all Manlys fault. The club is only dealing with this mess because a stupid decision made by a young man.

My point is that Manly has handled the fallout terribly...in my opinion. This may differ to you.

Regardless of who was involved, someone on the clubs behalf should have said "you know what, this situation isn't a great one for anyone involved, if the kids not mentally fit enough to answer to a court of law (at least that's the perception given section 32), he isn't fit enough to debut for first grade with this hanging over him".
The club is in a bad way and I'm shocked that the club took this pathway knowing there would be public and media backlash.

All I have is my own opinion Woodsie. Apologies if you find it deplorable.

I know if I was coaching a kid who had done what has been alledged, I would have stood him down pending the process. It's not only best for the girl in question and the club but also Fainu who obviously doesn't feel as though he can answer the charge in a normal court of law.
Standing kids down prematurely makes a statement to everyone. It defines your culture. What's acceptable and what's not.

Regardless of reality and what the legal advice is, he has publicly admitted mental health issues... therefore that is the perception.

I find the kids actions deplorable.
I find the clubs handling of this situation (and others this year) deplorable.

Each to their own.

The issue I have with this approach is that it requires the club to have a legal understanding of each case prior to taking action.



At this stage he has not pleaded guilty therefore he must have some presumption of innocence. It amazes me that Manly fans, of all people, would want a player stood down before due process was completed.



Remember the hysteria around Brett? Who was tried and convicted before he even had a chance? Unless you are careful it will create a kangaroo court where every accused player has to be stood down



Now again I am not saying how he should be treated once the trial / charges are resolved rather how difficult it is for a club to be arbitrary on cases like this.