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I'm not religious, but support anyone's right to believe and worship however they want.
But I don't support discrimination, or fermenting hate, based on what people think their god wants.
Common examples where religious people (not all) try to control others are sexuality and women's rights. My first wife was treated horrendously by the catholic church when she was young, it's affected her entire life, and by extension also my own. Not in a positive way. Hopefully it's obvious from what I just wrote that I also oppose religious extremism and zealotry.
As for details of Charlie Kirk's actions and beliefs, everyone can look things up and do their own research.
It's terrible that he was shot down, awful for anyone to be assaulted or harmed let alone murdered.
As I said in the first post, I was under the impression he was a young guy who was passionate about encouraging respectful political debate. On digging only a little a different picture emerged.
Doesn't mean I'm not appalled by his murder. As I'm daily appalled by innocent children dying slowly in terror trapped under the rubble of bombed buildings, or even worse, from starvation, whether in Middle east, africa, america, Australia whatever. Plenty of trouble spots in the world
Anyway Charlie Kirk is now being held up as a martyr or even a saint. An awful loss for his wife and young kids, at least they've got money and the support of some of the most powerful people on earth. So I'm pretty sure my opinion won't make much difference either way
Thanks for making the effort to respond. I didn't think you would. Sorry to hear about the obvious harm parts of the Catholic Church inflicted on your wife which also then impacted you. It's sometimes easy to form opinions of people on these boards, but in reality we really know nothing about the things we have experienced in life. I agree with you that all forms of human suffering is horrible.
 
I think it is great that we can express our views in threads like this. I am however surprised that some feel or seem to come across that this site is a means of having a debate with the view of somehow out pointing or better still convincing someone that their view is wrong especially when trying to do this via shame. This is a pointless and foolish endeavour! I have made the mistake of trying to do this in the past. Unless you can have a fairdinkum face to face conversation debating here will only lead to disappointment and frustration.
I found this take very interesting, it sort of covers some of the points you make.

 
@SeaEagleRock8 did you see some of these?

This was from the Cato Institute


Who get partly funded by those well known left wing loonies the Koch family

And this one by someone with even more time than us who put together a super cut of Mr Trump, in a shocking development, being highly hypocritical and using the very language he says he hates

Are you seriously saying that Islamism has only been responsible for 143 murders since 1975? Thousands are killed every year. Literally thousands.

Between 1979 and April 2024, we recorded 66,872 Islamist attacks worldwide. These attacks caused the deaths of at least 249,941 people.​


• 1979-2000: 2,194 attacks and 6,817 deaths.
• 2001-2012: 8,265 attacks and 38,187 deaths.
• 2013-April 2024: 56,413 attacks and 204,937 deaths.

And no, I am not saying every Muslim is a killer.
 
Are you seriously saying that Islamism has only been responsible for 143 murders since 1975? Thousands are killed every year. Literally thousands.

Between 1979 and April 2024, we recorded 66,872 Islamist attacks worldwide. These attacks caused the deaths of at least 249,941 people.​


• 1979-2000: 2,194 attacks and 6,817 deaths.
• 2001-2012: 8,265 attacks and 38,187 deaths.
• 2013-April 2024: 56,413 attacks and 204,937 deaths.

And no, I am not saying every Muslim is a killer.
The stats are for political murders (I assume) in the US & do not include 9/11.
 
@SeaEagleRock8 did you see some of these?

This was from the Cato Institute
Just curious, is there a specific reason it’s since 1975? Before my time so I’m not sure if there is some specific reason for that year but I’d question why wouldn’t they go back even further to include JFK etc
 
Just curious, is there a specific reason it’s since 1975? Before my time so I’m not sure if there is some specific reason for that year but I’d question why wouldn’t they go back even further to include JFK etc
Probably because today's version of the left which seems to be a mix match of several groups/movements such as LGBTQ, Antifa, Abortion rights movements, Free Palestine under the guise of being an inclusive form of Islam etc didn't exist back then. The left was Socialist and the right was Nazi. Democracy was the free world, and everyone wanted to live in the free world.
 
Just curious, is there a specific reason it’s since 1975? Before my time so I’m not sure if there is some specific reason for that year but I’d question why wouldn’t they go back even further to include JFK etc
Possibly because it’s a 50 year sample window.
 

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