Jamal Fogarty

[Phobia]

Weirdly I expect Brooks to be the one to stand up in a finals game, and for Fogarty to just do his job.

It’s not like we have much of a sample size with Brooks in big games anyway… The Tigers pigeon-holed him into basically being a copy of Fogarty, a consistent game manager week in week out… He is not that. Both parties suffered for this.

Whenever the heat has been applied on him while at Manly, or whenever it’s a big occasion, he’s gone back to the basics of a “6”, which are also his strongest areas. As a result, he’s had some great games under the bright lights. He had a great game against Melbourne last year, and again this year.

He was also strong in both of our finals games last year. DCE, Olakau’atu, Paseka, and Talau were the only others who were strong in both games.

The way I see it, Fogarty is there to get us to the finals. He can do this like he has done it for the Raiders since he joined; being consistent, and executing a game plan. That is his strength… And something we have been lacking since Foran left.

However, unless you’re the 2022 Panthers, that’s not enough to win finals games. You need x-factor.

Turbo and co are here to win us those finals.

 

[Snoz1976]

Fogs will be fine. He just took a team to the minor premiership. They were unlucky last week and last night don't forget the impact of 90+ gruelling mins of footy the week before plus being the only genuine half in the team. I thought he was solid with few options - no strange and weekes went missing. He probably needs a good summer of contact and defence but outside of that I'm pretty happy with him coming.

 

[Waz13]

Honestly I know far less than most on here about the game.

All I know he is a different player / style than DCE which means there will be flow on effects to the rest of the team and how we play.

As an example will the players outside of the Fog get more early ball than they would have from DCE? Will our long kicking game go backwards?

Good or bad who knows?

At least we will have something different to look forward to for at least the first 4 weeks of the year

Fog is not here for individual glory moments that DCE loved to bath in, often to the detriment of the overall team and result. He is here to guide us around the park and unleash our already stacked attacking players like Turbo, Garrick, Koula, Guac, Saab and Lehi. Fog does not really need to do anything spectacular individually. Not sure why some are picking apart his game in that respect in comparison.

 

[eaglebuzz]

The criticisms of his defense have been a bit harsh too. Hosking was awful last night in defense, especially in the second half.

 

[Waz13]

Walsh had a field day running at and around Fogarty on Sunday.

Huh? He has a field day running at and around anyone when he’s on. He’s arguably the most dangerous attacking player in the comp when on.

 

[Waz13]

Walsh has a field day running around everyone. Best running player in the game right now easily.

Beat me to it Suze. lol

 

[jbb/james]

Nice for us that he got that experience at Canberra. It he learns from it

 

[LeonardCohen]

Fog is not here for individual glory moments that DCE loved to bath in, often to the detriment of the overall team and result. He is here to guide us around the park and unleash our already stacked attacking players like Turbo, Garrick, Koula, Guac, Saab and Lehi. Fog does not really need to do anything spectacular individually. Not sure why some are picking apart his game in that respect in comparison.

The only comments I’ve made and/or read about his attacking game have not suggested he needs to do anything spectacular. However, a few posters were excited at the prospect of him unlocking Olakau’atu, implying that Fog is superior in using his edge forwards and I disagree. I think Daly is a better ball player than Fogarty. Unless I’ve missed something, no one has suggested that he needs to be an attacking dynamo.

 

[LeonardCohen]

The criticisms of his defense have been a bit harsh too. Hosking was awful last night in defense, especially in the second half.

‘Ricky will be furious’: Glaring reason Raiders ‘don’t stack up’ brutally exposed

‘Ricky will be furious’: Glaring reason Raiders ‘don’t stack up’ brutally exposed

www.foxsports.com.au

“I just feel that it was gone by their right-hand defence. They were lacking in confidence,” Roosters premiership second-rower Bryan Fletcher said, with Burns strolling through Zac Hosking and Jamal Fogarty for his decisive try, before the same players were beaten by a grubber from Wilton.

“The Sharks could smell blood in the water, they kept going at it. What typifies it, pretty much sums it up for me, they (Canberra) got back to 12-all, it’s in a semi-final, you’re at home, and Billy Burns scores a try (where) nothing is on. There is no decoy, it’s just hard running, and you’re in a semi-final and you let this happen.

Fogarty had a tough night in his final game for the Raiders before moving to Manly, in a sad end to a terrific season for the veteran No.7.

Manly premiership five-eighth Kieran Foran added: “There’s been a disconnect on their right-side defence for some time now, and it really is between Fogarty and (Matt) Timoko there. They just tend to want to map everything, go into slide straight away.

“I don’t think they varied it up enough in terms of their jam defence and sliding defence. They always showed their hand early and the Sharks clearly did their homework and targeted that area.”

Foran added: “He looked nervous. He kicked OK throughout the contest, I thought he nailed a few spiralling kicks, but ultimately what we spoke about at the start of the game was around his defence and his organisation.

“He has pressure on him coming into the game for key moments, big moments under pressure. But tonight, it wasn’t so much those moments, it was his execution in attack that let him down but also his reads in defence,” Anasta said.

 

[Waz13]

I really hope so. I’m not against his signing; I think decent 5th tackle options are imperative to success. However, I don’t see him as this great upgrade that’s suddenly going to transform our fortunes. I’m hoping he is, but I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch.

A bit left field here (and may have been said already) but I wonder if Fog was also appealing as a mentor for Walsh and co over the next couple of years. Fog seems like a real team first guy, good culture guy and one who would be a positive mentor for our up n coming halves. That may have been some upside as well. He’s been around a bit and had a very different journey to dce in the nrl. Had to work his ass off to stay in the big show. Not saying dce doesn’t work hard, but let’s face it, he’s never looked in the mirror and had to question if he’s got what it takes playing in qld cup. Some strong qualities grow from those moments.

 

[LeonardCohen]

A bit left field here (and may have been said already) but I wonder if Fog was also appealing as a mentor for Walsh and co over the next couple of years. Fog seems like a real team first guy, good culture guy and one who would be a positive mentor for our up n coming halves. That may have been some upside as well. He’s been around a bit and had a very different journey to dce in the nrl. Had to work his ass off to stay in the big show. Not saying dce doesn’t work hard, but let’s face it, he’s never looked in the mirror and had to question if he’s got what it takes playing in qld cup. Some strong qualities grow from those moments.

Yeah, great post. Either way, whether that’s the intention or not, I think he’ll definitely be good for the youth and the culture at the club.

 

[Waz13]

The only comments I’ve made and/or read about his attacking game have not suggested he needs to do anything spectacular. However, a few posters were excited at the prospect of him unlocking Olakau’atu, implying that Fog is superior in using his edge forwards and I disagree. I think Daly is a better ball player than Fogarty. Unless I’ve missed something, no one has suggested that he needs to be an attacking dynamo.

I’m a bit behind I this thread. But I was certainly getting the dce comparison vibes after the Fogs later poor showings. Ps I disagree re Guac. I often felt dce stifled him this year by not letting the ball sing as much. Dce is a better ball player I agree, but Its more his decision making. I can’t recall how many times I’ve screamed “just f$&@em give it to Guac early when one on one!”. I am looking forward to seeing how the Fog/Guac combo may look.

 

[manlyfan76]

Can't wait for JF to get here and start training.

One question I have is we are such a different playing style to Raiders who are hard running forwards with lots of offloads and play off that really well, how will he go behind brown, Jake, Waddell, croaker, lodge?
They are the polar opposite of the Raiders guys.
Paseka, ola, bully probably the similar type.

 

[mave]

DCE is probably better than Fog at just about everything, on an individual level.

Im certain Fog will be better for the team though.

 

[eaglebuzz]

A bit left field here (and may have been said already) but I wonder if Fog was also appealing as a mentor for Walsh and co over the next couple of years. Fog seems like a real team first guy, good culture guy and one who would be a positive mentor for our up n coming halves. That may have been some upside as well. He’s been around a bit and had a very different journey to dce in the nrl. Had to work his ass off to stay in the big show. Not saying dce doesn’t work hard, but let’s face it, he’s never looked in the mirror and had to question if he’s got what it takes playing in qld cup. Some strong qualities grow from those moments.

In a perfect world, Walsh and Large will be beating down the door for the starting halves jerseys and we will be looking to release Fogarty and/or Brooks by the end of next year.

 

[eaglebuzz]

DCE is probably better than Fog at just about everything, on an individual level.

Im certain Fog will be better for the team though.

Definitely agree with your second point. I don't think DCE will be better than Fogarty next year though. Age and disinterest are starting to creep in.

 

[LeonardCohen]

I’m a bit behind I this thread. But I was certainly getting the dce comparison vibes after the Fogs later poor showings. Ps I disagree re Guac. I often felt dce stifled him this year by not letting the ball sing as much. Dce is a better ball player I agree, but Its more his decision making. I can’t recall how many times I’ve screamed “just f$&@em give it to Guac early when one on one!”. I am looking forward to seeing how the Fog/Guac combo may look.

I think there’s definitely an element of self preservation in Daly’s game and taking the ball into the line to attract defenders has never been one of his strengths. As a result, I think there were occasions where he was in two minds; didn’t want to give early ball but didn’t want to take it right into the line either, hence the stifled attack.

 

[LeonardCohen]

DCE is probably better than Fog at just about everything, on an individual level.

Im certain Fog will be better for the team though.

That’s the great hope. I think he very well could be. I’m just glad someone else is prepared to face up to reality, regardless of how they feel about Daly’s treatment of the club.

 

[Heckenberg]

I think there’s definitely an element of self preservation in Daly’s game and taking the ball into the line to attract defenders has never been one of his strengths. As a result, I think there were occasions where he was in two minds; didn’t want to give early ball but didn’t want to take it right into the line either, hence the stifled attack.

This is the worst part about his game. Nobody ever had to worry about him running hard at the line and getting a quick play the ball. So if you rush dce you effectively kill our rhythm. This was okay when he was younger and more light footed as he could jink and weave and find holes back on the inside but now it just screws cohesiveness.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

DCE is probably better than Fog at just about everything, on an individual level.

Im certain Fog will be better for the team though.

Some people here seem a bit disappointed to realise Fogarty may not be the next Immortal or even next Test halfback.
That aside, Manly has done very well to recruit him and I'll think he'll be very good for us. Obviously he is not DCE, but we had plenty of DCE, so on to a different style for a change.