Post-Game Discussion Manly v Raiders [Round 17, 2021]

[BOZO]

He was taking hit-ups early in the set 1 out from the ruck but he was always outside Suli

Regardless he should of scored that try with the line wide oped
It was a great pass to him and a try would have given us points as well as the ball back because the raiders had the ball and scored straight after

 

[StuBoot]

Credit to Raiders their short goal line kicks for repeat sets killed us. They just had all the momentum and made sure they kept it.
Was getting frustrated we batted the ball dead rather than at least trying to get in play but the pressure was high and no fb didnt help.
Some panic decisions in the last 20, we still had a chance with only 20% possession so just looking at it as a lesson learnt and a reality check.

No excuse but thought there was a lot of fwd passes from the Raiders and we had a rough night with the 6 agains.

Agree, there was more than one occasion that Garrick was unimpressed with Saab just batting it dead. Seemed like either Saab didn’t trust Garrick’s call or he didn’t call at all. I know they usually play on opposite sides but it was like they didn’t know each other, how many times did they nearly run into each other in goal.

Tbh I didn’t think we were all that bad, they played to not make errors and they didn’t, fatigue and scoreboard pressure got to us.
There was some poor individual performances that we paid for, Marty missing two online tackles and Suli, for wellbeing Suli and there’s 18 points to them. And Saab, if you’re going out or run out of space, kick it rather fling it anywhere ffs.

As much as we missed Turbo, the lack of leadership and competitive smarts of DCE was sorely missed.

Made something like 100 more tackles, missed only four more and made more linebreaks against a side that was always going to fire up this week.

Disappointed yes, but not slitting my wrists.

And re the six agains, there was one in particular where their Croker was trying to crawl around our marker but we got pinged for going on with tackle.

 

[HK_Eagle]

I did not bomb that certain try
I did not have an ineffective game
I am just saying it how I saw it and it is not how you saw it

You were also absolutely missing over the weeks Parker continued to score tries on a regular basis after your rant about how centres need to score tries. You dip in and out on the subject when it suits and are blinded by the things that don't fit your perspective. True growth comes from being open that our beliefs may no longer serve us and being open to new possibilities. You are yet to convince me you have the courage to question yourself.

 

[davohan123]

Agree, there was more than one occasion that Garrick was unimpressed with Saab just batting it dead. Seemed like either Saab didn’t trust Garrick’s call or he didn’t call at all. I know they usually play on opposite sides but it was like they didn’t know each other, how many times did they nearly run into each other in goal.

Tbh I didn’t think we were all that bad, they played to not make errors and they didn’t, fatigue and scoreboard pressure got to us.
There was some poor individual performances that we paid for, Marty missing two online tackles and Suli, for wellbeing Suli and there’s 18 points to them. And Saab, if you’re going out or run out of space, kick it rather fling it anywhere ffs.

As much as we missed Turbo, the lack of leadership and competitive smarts of DCE was sorely missed.

Made something like 100 more tackles, missed only four more and made more linebreaks against a side that was always going to fire up this week.

Disappointed yes, but not slitting my wrists.

Slitting wrists comes next weekend if we can’t beat the dragons. I know they will a depleted side hook will have his team fired up. If we are not switched on then I can see another loss next weekend.

 

[HoldenV8]

The worst thing about the way Jetski played tonight is that normally a player could probably be forgiven for it being their first game back in what, over 2 months? Except for the fact that the way he played is how we have come to expect him to play even when he's match fit.

 

[Jethro]

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FULL TIME SCORE

Manly: 16
Raiders: 30

Pic: Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Facebook Page


Team Victory Song:

Pressers:

Sea Eagles: Round 17

Des Hasler chats to the media after his team's Round 17 game against the Raiders

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Sea Eagles press conference | Fox Sports Videos

Raiders: Round 17

Ricky Stuart chats to the media after his team's Round 17 game against the Sea Eagles

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Raiders press conference | Fox Sports Videos


Post Match Interviews: TBA


Match Report:

Sea Eagles suffer 30-16 loss to Raiders

A disappointing Manly Warringah Sea Eagles suffered a 30-16 loss to the Canberra Raiders at 4 Pines Park tonight in round 17 of the Telstra Premiership.

www.seaeagles.com.au

Stuart fires back at critics as Raiders return to finals contention

A superb injection from the bench from Joe Tapine and Tom Starling has helped Canberra overcome a shaky start and then a second-half Manly fightback to claim a 30-16 win at 4 Pines Park on Thursday night.

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Match Highlights:

Match Highlights: Sea Eagles v Raiders | Sea Eagles

The Sea Eagles host the Raiders during Round 17 of the 2021 NRL Telstra Premiership

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Match Highlights: Sea Eagles v Raiders

The Sea Eagles host the Raiders during Round 17 of the 2021 NRL Telstra Premiership

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Full Match Replay Link: TBA


Manly Tries:

Walker gets past Williams on the outside

Dylan Walker beats his opposite man on the left edge to score the first try of the game for the Sea Eagles

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Olakau'atu goes steamroller mode

Haumole Olakau'atu just runs straight over the top of the Raiders defence

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Suli charges over back on the angle

Moses Suli scores another Manly try in the second half

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Game Pics & Video Clips: TBA


Press Print & Video Articles:

Raiders find their new enforcer as biggest Manly problem exposed in shock rout: 3 Big Hits

Raiders find their new enforcer as biggest Manly problem exposed in shock rout: 3 Big Hits

www.foxsports.com.au

‘Embarrassing’ NRL upset says it all

Someone call Geoff Toovey because there needs to be an investigation into what happened on Thursday night.

www.news.com.au

‘There are no fractures in this team’: Stuart comes out swinging after Raiders win

A few weeks after George Williams left the club in a blaze of controversy, a club stalwart filling the void has helped get their season back on track. And Ricky Stuart was quick to laud his players.

www.smh.com.au

 

[BOZO]

You were also absolutely missing over the weeks Parker continued to score tries on a regular basis after your rant about how centres need to score tries. You dip in and out on the subject when it suits and are blinded by the things that don't fit your perspective. True growth comes from being open that our beliefs may no longer serve us and being open to new possibilities. You are yet to convince me you have the courage to question yourself.

I am always open to my beliefs and I have always said Parker lacks the pace and flair to be a dominant centre
The meet pies he scored were served to him by Tom
Parker is not known for making line breaks and creating try assists
He can be a competent defender but is far from the quality grand final dominant centres that we had
Have a good night feathered friend

 

[ManEagle]

Agree, there was more than one occasion that Garrick was unimpressed with Saab just batting it dead. Seemed like either Saab didn’t trust Garrick’s call or he didn’t call at all. I know they usually play on opposite sides but it was like they didn’t know each other, how many times did they nearly run into each other in goal.

Tbh I didn’t think we were all that bad, they played to not make errors and they didn’t, fatigue and scoreboard pressure got to us.
There was some poor individual performances that we paid for, Marty missing two online tackles and Suli, for wellbeing Suli and there’s 18 points to them. And Saab, if you’re going out or run out of space, kick it rather fling it anywhere ffs.

As much as we missed Turbo, the lack of leadership and competitive smarts of DCE was sorely missed.

Made something like 100 more tackles, missed only four more and made more linebreaks against a side that was always going to fire up this week.

Disappointed yes, but not slitting my wrists.

And re the six agains, there was one in particular where their Croker was trying to crawl around our marker but we got pinged for going on with tackle.

I thought Saab could have had a go on at least 2 he batted out, he may not have succeeded but looked a little lazy and took the easy option.
Thing with Garrick he looks very much a confidence player and easily frustrated those bat ons effected him and then proceeded to have a shocker reading the bombs and letting them go. Didn't look like much communication between them.
Suli should have been looking at the ball, that falcon try was disgraceful and should ot have been scored.

We were gassed, to much red zone defence, I don't think we were that bad just a couple of errors and the momentum couldn't turn.
Didnt think we were realistic top 4 chance despite recent results so hold down 5th or 6th is ok with me.
A tough game and a loss here could be a blessing after some easy scoring games.

 

[bob dylan]

Come on folks, we're missing about 7 starters. I know it's been a rubbish performance but honestly the raiders played their repeat sets perfect. I mean what did they have, fifty tackles in our twenty? They won't do that again this season. The only thing this loss does is put to bed any top 4 hopes. We'll be fine.

Its a fair point but this was the Raiders less

Wighton
Papali
Whitehead
Curtis Scott
and both fullbacks Nicoll-Klokstad Y Simonsen

I could also mention they no longer have a halfback of NRL standard since George Williams told Ricky he was never but a C*&T.

 

[HK_Eagle]

I thought Saab could have had a go on at least 2 he batted out, he may not have succeeded but looked a little lazy and took the easy option.
Thing with Garrick he looks very much a confidence player and easily frustrated those bat ons effected him and then proceeded to have a shocker reading the bombs and letting them go. Didn't look like much communication between them.
Suli should have been looking at the ball, that falcon try was disgraceful and should ot have been scored.

We were gassed, to much red zone defence, I don't think we were that bad just a couple of errors and the momentum couldn't turn.
Didnt think we were realistic top 4 chance despite recent results so hold down 5th or 6th is ok with me.
A tough game and a loss here could be a blessing after some easy scoring games.

I wouldn't blame Suli for that falcon try. I think strategically, he did his job by creating a protection zone for his fullback. I'm inclined to put that on Garrick. He's the fullback with full vision in front of him and should be directing things. He should also be running forward and jumping to take that ball, regardless of who is in front of him. He sat back passively and it was costly.

 

[ManEagle]

I wouldn't blame Suli for that falcon try. I think strategically, he did his job by creating a protection zone for his fullback. I'm inclined to put that on Garrick. He's the fullback with full vision in front of him and should be directing things. He should also be running forward and jumping to take that ball, regardless of who is in front of him. He sat back passively and it was costly.

Yeah good point just didn't look good for Suli. Awareness of where the ball is.
Garrick had a shocker with the defusing the kicks no doubt.

 

[BOZO]

I wouldn't blame Suli for that falcon try. I think strategically, he did his job by creating a protection zone for his fullback. I'm inclined to put that on Garrick. He's the fullback with full vision in front of him and should be directing things. He should also be running forward and jumping to take that ball, regardless of who is in front of him. He sat back passively and it was costly.

After looking at the replay I think you are spot on there . Garrick was looking at the ball and instead of going for it he kept of looking at it

 

[Remy]

well there goes top 4 lol. Now we gotta do go on a 4 week winning streak in the finals. Don't mind it.

 

[HK_Eagle]

After looking at the replay I think you are spot on there . Garrick was looking at the ball and instead of going for it he kept of looking at it

Yeah, we need to consider the context. Garrick, at fullback, is looking forward and in a much better position to assess the situation. Any player running back is at a much bigger disadvantage, and quite frankly, their only role in that situation is to provide some protection for the players back and in the position to act on the ball coming down.

 

[BOZO]

well there goes top 4 lol. Now we gotta do go on a 4 week winning streak in the finals. Don't mind it.

It is not gone yet but is more distant now . We still have a chance . All we need to do is keep on winning and hope the others on top keep losing

 

[Remy]

We would've won this game with just Schuster or just DCE or just Turbo. They are the biggest attacking weapons we got and where all our strike mostly comes from. But tonight we missed all three of them. Our attack looked lost, disjointed, clunky and predicatable. Plus add to all that defending we had to do with a lot of stuff not going our way with luck. And add to the stupid Jetski selection and not having Cust play more minutes. Just wasn't our night at all.

 

[BOZO]

Yeah, we need to consider the context. Garrick, at fullback, is looking forward and in a much better position to assess the situation. Any player running back is at a much bigger disadvantage, and quite frankly, their only role in that situation is to provide some protection for the players back and in the position to act on the ball coming down.

Every game and every play is a new experience for both those young players and lets hope they will be both better for that unfortunate high ball experience

 

[wombatgc]

I wouldn't blame Suli for that falcon try. I think strategically, he did his job by creating a protection zone for his fullback. I'm inclined to put that on Garrick. He's the fullback with full vision in front of him and should be directing things. He should also be running forward and jumping to take that ball, regardless of who is in front of him. He sat back passively and it was costly.

That’s exactly how I saw it too. He had to keep coming forward and contest for the ball, especially being so close to our try line. If he did that, caught the ball, and kicked Suli in the gutz at the same time, it would’ve been a win/win outcome.

 

[StuBoot]

I wouldn't blame Suli for that falcon try. I think strategically, he did his job by creating a protection zone for his fullback. I'm inclined to put that on Garrick. He's the fullback with full vision in front of him and should be directing things. He should also be running forward and jumping to take that ball, regardless of who is in front of him. He sat back passively and it was costly.

Yes and no.
If Suli looks up or has awareness of where the ball is because, um, it’s less than 10m out from your goal line he catches it (unless he drops it). If you’re gonna be a blocker you should know where the ball is, yeah?

True, maybe Garrick could’ve made a play for it but seeing as it was a pretty harmless kick he’d be within his rights to think that Suli would.

Just goes to show that fullback play isn’t all the flashy stuff, marshalling your troops and forcefully communicating was underscored tonight by it’s absence.

 

[HK_Eagle]

Yes and no.
If Suli looks up or has awareness of where the ball is because, um, it’s less than 10m out from your goal line he catches it (unless he drops it). If you’re gonna be a blocker you should know where the ball is, yeah?

True, maybe Garrick could’ve made a play for it but seeing as it was a pretty harmless kick he’d be within his rights to think that Suli would.

Just goes to show that fullback play isn’t all the flashy stuff, marshalling your troops and forcefully communicating was underscored tonight.

Absolutely, Suli lost the ball was and could have done better. Nevertheless, Garrick needs to be taking control there and is in the pilot seat. Blockers need to do their best to be aware of where the ball is, but I have NEVER EVER seen a blocker actually take the bomb... though I accept it may have happened. Nor should we expect them too. That's the fullback's job (or whoever happens to be back there waiting and moving forward).