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Well that come to nothing as usual, I actually fell for it this time and was expecting a new stadium.

Will we see the next version of a proposal around origin of finals time, we must be up to 254 by now.
It's never going to happen unless there is a local state/federal politician who can con the party to spend big in the local area.
 
This might make you feel better.
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There might be the usual promises leading into both upcoming elections. If history is any guide however, piecemeal upgrades (spread out over decades) seem more likely.
 
Manly won’t get a cent out of Albo If the ALP wins. He hates Manly with a passion. Don’t forget he’s Souths number 1 fan and sits on their board.
Correct on the last two , and probably right on the assumption.

Personally I think there’s zero chance of a $300 million rebuild , it’ll be done bit by bit over many years.

At least PVL seems to be inside in improving suburban grounds so that’s a good start !!

PS: nice to see you back !!
 
It's a Federal election so neither side would be concerned about a suburban football ground. Did Abbot do anything useful for the ground, and he was the No. 1 ticket holder?
The State election is a different matter, and both the Liberal candidate and the Independent candidates vying for the Northern Beaches will include Brookie in their manifesto; not that this means they will actually follow through when they are elected.
 
Manly won’t get a cent out of Albo If the ALP wins. He hates Manly with a passion. Don’t forget he’s Souths number 1 fan and sits on their board.
Really?

This was a press release from Albanese in 2013:

I even recall him showing up at Brookvale for the announcement.

Sure, the amount in question was never going to be enough on its own to pay for such an ambitious proposal without the state, et al, chipping in.

And Labor knew they were on track to lose the election, so you could take it all with a pinch of salt.

As for Albanese, you couldn’t blame him now if he did ignore Brookvale, after Abbott apparently had funding cut for Souths’ CoE out Matraville way, when he became PM.

Still, Albanese is a professional politician and if Labor do win in a tight result, he will be looking to the likes of Zali Steggall for support in the House of Reps. Even 10-15 million dollars (small change) towards Brookvale could go a fair way to buying her support, along with a federal ICAC equivalent with teeth; or a federal government properly leading the way on tackling climate change - both causes close to her heart. And she is hardly likely to lose Warringah to this dingbat Deves the Coalition have nominated.

Plus Manly has assiduously cultivated politicians on both sides of the aisle, at state and federal level, for decades - as any smart sporting operation should. The Club will adjust accordingly.

It’s taken over five decades since the rectangularisation of Brookvale to get to this point. It might just take a bit longer to replicate the Bob Fulton Stand right around the ground.
 
Alp would be fine for manly, or at least no worse than the coalition. Kerry Sibraa is patron and Barrie unsworth has done a bit for us.
 
Alp would be fine for manly, or at least no worse than the coalition. Kerry Sibraa is patron and Barrie unsworth has done a bit for us.
So did none other than Bob Hawke.

Morris Iemma too. $6m towards the last significant upgrade, approx. 15 years ago.
 
The dream is dead. I never believed the Government would fund our upgrade but now you can guarantee it is off the table.

The racing clown wants to do a "Superbowl" style event move the gf all around the country. 1 minute he is pushing for suburban ground upgrades now this idea you cant have both and it looks like we miss out again.

I can see the new franchise having a new stadium before us
 
The dream is dead. I never believed the Government would fund our upgrade but now you can guarantee it is off the table.

The racing clown wants to do a "Superbowl" style event move the gf all around the country. 1 minute he is pushing for suburban ground upgrades now this idea you cant have both and it looks like we miss out again.

I can see the new franchise having a new stadium before us

I don't think that will happen. I think Vlandys is trying to strongarm the NSW Government into upgrading suburban grounds. Stadium Australia is the second largest stadium in Australia and holds 83,500. The MCG holds 100K but would be a sh!t place to watch an NRL GF. After that is Optus Stadium in Perth that holds 60K, then Marvel and Suncorp holding 53K each.

I can't see the NRL giving up 30 thousand odd tickets?

I think the suburban ground upgrades will go ahead, but not anytime soon. I can't see NSW allowing the GF to go to Queensland or Victoria. Vladys is just playing hard ball.
 
On NRL360 last night they were saying that the NSW Government is actually happy with (possibly perpetuating) the rumours about the GF being moved around to different states. They're using it as a reason to justify to the General Public that it is necessary to spend the money to upgrade suburban grounds to avoid losing the event.
 
The dream is dead. I never believed the Government would fund our upgrade but now you can guarantee it is off the table.

The racing clown wants to do a "Superbowl" style event move the gf all around the country. 1 minute he is pushing for suburban ground upgrades now this idea you cant have both and it looks like we miss out again.

I can see the new franchise having a new stadium before us
Yeah its posturing, NRL GF is going nowhere.

Stories like this are so the NRL can pressure the state government and the state government can sell a stadium spend to voters
 

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the corporate box and eat your body weight in party pies, along comes the news that Stadium Wars has kicked off again.

On Friday, the most powerful politician in the state, Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys, will square off with NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet in search of more stadium funding.

The new $828 million Sydney Football Stadium is now 80 per cent complete as the ground prepares to be ready for the 2022 NRL finals.
I’ll put the rent money on V’landys — paying $1.20 in early markets — to get his way.
If Perrottet doesn’t cough up the $800 million the government promised in 2019 to upgrade Accor Stadium, instead redirecting the funds towards the upgrading of suburban stadiums across the city, V’landys says he’ll flog the NRL grand final to the highest bidder, most likely Queensland.

The real fireworks are expected to come early on Friday Morning when V’landys and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres attend a long-standing sponsors’ breakfast in Penrith. The two men engaged in some entertaining tongue-fu on Thursday over V’landys’ threat to take the decider to Brisneyland if he doesn’t get his way.

Look, I love a shiny new stadium and have sat in many of them around the world.

But it does seem a bit rich for the NRL to be asking for more taxpayer money to build “mini BankWest Stadiums” — as V’landys has previously called them — for Sydney clubs who burn through cash like the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Two years ago, rugby league was gifted a new Parramatta Stadium (cost: $360 million). In August, it gets a new Sydney Football Stadium (cost: $890 million). In 2025, it gets a new Penrith Stadium (estimated cost: $300 million).

The knock-down and rebuild of the SFS was a no-brainer. It was old and dangerous and the toilets reeked. Behold the incredible bronzed arena that’s now emerged from the rubble at Moore Park, accessible via light rail or a rather pleasant pub crawl through Surry Hills from Central Station.

But just how many more hundreds of millions of dollars does the NRL want so it can play matches in stadiums in timeslots that are great for TV but a punish for families; that are too hard to get to via unreliable public transport or clogged up roads; that charge through the nose for food and beer unless you somehow find your way into aforementioned corporate box with those delicious little party pies just begging to be inhaled?
About $800 million more, as it turns out, and V’landys wants what was promised.
He shares a much closer relationship with Perrottet, a Wests Tigers man, than former Premier Gladys Berejiklian, who was once denied access to the NSW dressing-room after an Origin victory because she didn’t have accreditation.

We’re certain both men will emerge from Friday’s meeting getting exactly what they both want: a guarantee that the grand final will be played in Sydney until 2042 — and boutique stadiums for everyone!

It’s been quite a fortnight for rugby league.

Last week, there was talk about taking a first-round match to Los Angeles. This week, the discussion has been about taking the grand final all over the country, or even to Wembley in London.
How about the Maldives? I’ve never been there.
Forget this malarkey about shopping it around like the Super Bowl, which it will never be unless the NRL can upgrade the half-time entertainment from Timmy Trumpet to Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg or Lady Gaga or, better still, Cold Chisel.

This next sentence will have the Queenslanders rolling their eyes into the back of both their heads, but Sydney really is the spiritual home of the game.

For a code that looks less like itself with every passing season, let’s hold on to this last tradition, can we?

Everything has a price — but not everything should be for sale.
 
He’s right.

As for the Veelander - let me get this straight, a few years ago he wanted money intended for a SA rebuild diverted to suburban ground upgrades. Now he warns that if SA isn’t upgraded, he threatens that he and his Sarth Efrican sidekick will take the GFs to other cities. However he still wants the suburban upgrades to go ahead.

Have I got that right?
 
I think the compromise should be that SA gets some form of meaningful upgrade, perhaps Penrith gets a full rebuild (since it has already been announced as starting in the off season) and grounds like Brookvale get $15-20m for meaningful upgrades to existing facilities. You would have a ‘fit for purpose’ ground for at least another decade.

The state government has to tread carefully. Public sector workers are calling for pay rises, there are the usual complaints about hospital waiting times, public transport issues, et al. If Morrison wins next month, some in the state government think they will lose next March.

So why make a prediction a reality by misspent funding on stadiums used seriously about 12 times per year, when there are so many other more critical things to deal with?
 

Taylor Swift and the Rugby World Cup: Inside the bad blood between NRL and NSW government​


Government and stadium officials have pointed to Taylor Swift’s 2018 concert at the venue, when an electrical storm left thousands of waiting fans within striking distance of nearby lightning and delayed the concert by more than an hour.

The last thing the NRL wants to see is Tay-Tay struck by lightning, but there is also a view that the roof is part of NSW’s bid for the 2027 Rugby Union World Cup final as Perth and Melbourne fight with Sydney for the right to host the decider.

Australia is expected to named as the host of the 2027 RWC after a meeting of the World Rugby Council on May 12, and a roof would only boost Accor Stadium’s chances of hosting the final.
The NRL do not like the idea and want that money allocated to grounds like Leichhardt Oval, Brookvale Oval, Shark Park and Kogarah Oval.

It looks like the NRL has got its way, as Queensland are now conceding that the grand final, which had been used as leverage to get the deal done, will remain in Sydney for a very long time.
And this year’s decider could have a very different feel to it if former Wests Tigers hooker Robbie Farah gets his way.

Farah, a co-founder of sports event company Two4Seven, has met with NRL CEO Andrew Abdo about the prospect of staging a tailgate party outside Accor Stadium for this year’s grand final - bringing the idea home from his trip to the Super Bowl in Los Angeles earlier this year.
 

‘We think it’s a bit much’: Football, rugby want a say in NSW stadium spending​


Sydney’s hopes of hosting the 2027 Rugby World Cup final and a potential Australian bid for the 2034 FIFA World Cup could be dealt a hammer blow if the NSW government again walks away from plans to put a roof on Accor Stadium.

Australia’s other two major rectangular codes have expressed their dismay amid widespread expectation that Premier Dominic Perrottet will cave to pressure from ARL chairman Peter V’landys and redirect what’s left of an $800 million spending plan into suburban grounds around Sydney.


Football Australia boss James Johnson said it was “a bit much” for rugby league to wedge the state government into spending taxpayer funds on a stadiums upgrade program that will benefit one code, while Rugby Australia could have no choice but to send the World Cup final outside the sport’s heartland for the first time if Accor Stadium languishes in its current state.

Football Australia also is considering a joint bid for the men’s World Cup in 2034, with either New Zealand or Indonesia, and while Accor Stadium would almost certainly form a major part of those plans, it risks being well behind modern standards without significant work in the interim.

“At the end of the day, it is the hard-earned money of taxpayers across NSW which is at stake here and, as the representative body of the largest club-based participation sport in the country, we think it’s a bit much for one sport to think it can lay claim to this,” Johnson said.

“The NSW government is the government for all communities in this state, not just a portion of it, so it is vital that broader considerations are made.

“Participation numbers, efforts to bridge the gender gap, and a sport’s ability to contribute to society are all factors which should be considered and one sport does not have a monopoly on this.

“Redirecting investment in a stadium that was due to benefit all codes towards refurbishments for suburban grounds, is clearly an outcome that will benefit one and not all.”

With Australia set to be awarded hosting rights to the 2027 Rugby World Cup next week, Rugby Australia and World Rugby will announce the venues to host the championship games next year.
Only Sydney (Accor), Melbourne (the Melbourne Cricket Ground) and Perth (Optus Stadium) have venues big enough to host the final under World Rugby stipulations, and Accor Stadium is the only rectangular venue in that group.

But any assumption that Sydney was a shoo-in to host its second World Cup final went up in smoke last month when word spread that World Rugby types were taken with Melbourne’s Olympic Parks precinct, containing the MCG, AAMI Park and Melbourne Park tennis precinct, all just a couple of kilometres from the centre of town.

RA chairman Hamish McLennan said it would be premature to enter into debate about potential venues for the final before the tournament had been formally awarded, but conceded that stadium investment would come to bear.

“Investment in infrastructure is absolutely a key factor in where the top games will be played for the Rugby World Cup if we’re successful,” McLennan said.

Putting a retractable roof on the 80,000-seat Accor Stadium has been on and off the agenda for successive NSW Liberal governments since 2016. The latest plan, a $600 million upgrade due to start in 2020 was shelved when the Covid-19 pandemic hit that year, but as recently as last month sport and tourism insiders were confident a modified upgrade would be funded this year.
Government insiders insisted no decisions had been finalised on what the government would and would not prioritise in its stadiums package.

But the speed of V’landys’ cooling off after his blistering attack on the Perrottet Liberal government last week has led many stadium, sports, events and tourism insiders to conclude that last Friday’s meeting with the Premier ended in victory for the powerful ARLC chairman.

V’landys has opposed a $250m spend on Accor for a roof and new seating, pushing instead for hundreds of millions of dollars to be pumped into upgrading suburban grounds such as Brookvale Oval, Leichhardt Oval, the privately-owned Shark Park in Cronulla and Kogarah Oval.

That turn of events would leave football and rugby in a difficult spot, with Australia’s largest rectangular venue now entering its second decade in its unimproved form.

It would also be a peculiar stance for the ARLC given Accor’s status as the home of State of Origin and the NRL grand final.

The stadium is critical for football - particularly as FIFA, in contrast with World Rugby, takes a much dimmer view of playing major international matches at non-rectangular venues. Accor will host the final of next year’s Women’s World Cup and is the site of many of the Socceroos’ greatest moments, including the 2015 Asian Cup decider and their penalty shootout win over Uruguay in 2005 that broke their long World Cup hoodoo.

Because of its size, it is also the stadium of choice for visiting club teams like Barcelona, who will face the A-Leagues All Stars there later this month, and was set for the first Old Firm derby played outside of Scotland until Celtic’s arch-rivals Rangers pulled out of November’s Sydney Super Cup.
The ground was the site of the 2003 Rugby World Cup final, the 2002 Bledisloe Cup decider - the last time Australia held the trophy - and the Waratahs’ 2014 Super Rugby win.
 

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