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[SeaEagleRock8]

Could you give any example of violent leftist rhetoric from the Obama presidency?

feel free to ask AI 🙂

 

[Brookie1973]

Main problem with it is it is inclined to stop discussion, not encourage it. It treats the opponent's view with disdain, does it not?


Ok, thank you for putting a position. Could you give any example of violent leftist rhetoric from the Obama presidency? I wasn't really paying attention back then (and I did actually look at the farewell speech opinion link, I saw no quotes at all in that)

I know you insist on people using their own words, but frankly, it’s too much work typing things out. Not trying to be cute, but just google “Obama the most polarizing president in history” and you will find plenty of examples of how his political playbook was to create divisiveness, which led to the demonisation of those on the right, to the point where conservatives are now considered equivalent to nazis, and ipso facto, fair game.

 

[lsz]

Honestly, I never liked the highly edited approach he used when debating people (in terms of the videos that were presented). I often found his style to be in less than good faith. That said, at least he went out there and had a crack.


As for those celebrating or enjoying his death, that is beyond tasteless. As I mentioned when posting in the Trump thread, I’m no fan, but I would never wish for him—or anyone—to be killed.


The U.S. is at another tipping point. It is incredibly sad that, even while a manhunt is still underway, assumptions are already being made about who the attacker was from a left or right perspective. On top of that, the President has chosen rhetoric that inflames rather than calms the situation.


If there were genuine care, he would have acknowledged Melissa Hortman and her husband, who were murdered. Instead, what could have been a moment for meaningful action has once again been reduced to political point-scoring, creating even more danger.

One pundit put is best. Political assassinations are like cancer that will spread unless there is some true leadership...something I think that is lacking in the US now.

 

[Brookie1973]

Honestly, I never liked the highly edited approach he used when debating people (in terms of the videos that were presented). I often found his style to be in less than good faith. That said, at least he went out there and had a crack.


As for those celebrating or enjoying his death, that is beyond tasteless. As I mentioned when posting in the Trump thread, I’m no fan, but I would never wish for him—or anyone—to be killed.


The U.S. is at another tipping point. It is incredibly sad that, even while a manhunt is still underway, assumptions are already being made about who the attacker was from a left or right perspective. On top of that, the President has chosen rhetoric that inflames rather than calms the situation.


If there were genuine care, he would have acknowledged Melissa Hortman and her husband, who were murdered. Instead, what could have been a moment for meaningful action has once again been reduced to political point-scoring, creating even more danger.

One pundit put is best. Political assassinations are like cancer that will spread unless there is some true leadership...something I think that is lacking in the US now.

Do you accept that Democrat leaders and left wing media have been using violent rhetoric for many years?

 

[Ranga]

I assumed it was obvious, but what I think is that violence against conservatives is the natural consequence of constant violent rhetoric by left wing media and commentators since the day Trump first announced his initial run for President.

Violence against political figures is not exclusive to one side and equally deplorable. But if violence against conservatives is the natural consequence of constant violent rhetoric by left wing media and commentators, violence against democrats / liberals is the natural consequence of what?

Trump condemns political violence, but doesn't mention attacks on Democrats

While President Donald Trump spoke out against political violence following Charlie Kirk's death, he did not note the attacks on Democrats in the last year.

abcnews.go.com

 

[lsz]

Is there an updated version? Turns out the shooter yesterday had engraved messages about transgender issues into his ammunition. Safe to assume it was politically motivated.

I feel American media has poisoned the minds of many with the rhetoric constantly used. Words like Nazi, fascist, commy etc is used on the daily by news outlets like CNN, Fox & the rest to describe people they disagree with. Makes these mentally ill people think they are some kind of hero in my opinion

This is worthwhile

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966322124076798007

 

[lsz]

Do you accept that Democrat leaders and left wing media have been using violent rhetoric for many years?

Of course there have been some....and before we get to it I do not think it is acceptable.

I am the grand child of Holocaust survivors.

I think Trump is corrupt, self interested, vain and cruel but he is not Hitler. I think some of his cabinet picks are abhorrent but not they are not Nazis

Much like your "discussions" over politicians swearing I am more than happy to look at both sides for this.

All that I would hope that there was more nuanced balanced discussion that takes place when all the facts are known rather than rushing to blame a "side" or person

 

[Brookie1973]

Violence against political figures is not exclusive to one side and equally deplorable. But if violence against conservatives is the natural consequence of constant violent rhetoric by left wing media and commentators, violence against democrats / liberals is the natural consequence of what?

Trump condemns political violence, but doesn't mention attacks on Democrats

While President Donald Trump spoke out against political violence following Charlie Kirk's death, he did not note the attacks on Democrats in the last year.

abcnews.go.com

The polarisation of American politics under Obama.

 

[Brookie1973]

Of course there have been some....and before we get to it I do not think it is acceptable.

I am the grand child of Holocaust survivors.

I think Trump is corrupt, self interested, vain and cruel but he is not Hitler. I think some of his cabinet picks are abhorrent but not they are not Nazis

Much like your "discussions" over politicians swearing I am more than happy to look at both sides for this.

All that I would hope that there was more nuanced balanced discussion that takes place when all the facts are known rather than rushing to blame a "side" or person

With all due respect, your post #23 seemed quick to blame it all on Trump.

 

[Ohgeez]

This is worthwhile

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966322124076798007

I agree there is plenty of misinformation spread particularly by these foreign nations & ‘political influencers’. What I said in regards to the ammunition was straight from ABC news, if they have got in wrong then that’s a huge F up on their part. I’d hope with over 20 million followers on all platforms they have a decent source but I guess time will tell.

 

[lsz]

I agree there is plenty of misinformation spread particularly by these foreign nations & ‘political influencers’. What I said in regards to the ammunition was straight from ABC news, if they have got in wrong then that’s a huge F up on their part. I’d hope with over 20 million followers on all platforms they have a decent source but I guess time will tell.

The thing about social media is that has speed up the need for all of us to comment / talk about things that take time.

 

[lsz]

With all due respect, your post #23 seemed quick to blame it all on Trump.

I do not like his statement last night re the leftist etc. That is not blaming it on Trump but saying there is a different way to handle things

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

Very tragic and sad sequence of events. Whilst the world is advancing significantly technologically unfortunately it is not developing at anywhere near the same speed on the civility and decency side of things. I kind of feel petty looking at graphs of so called left hate crimes vs some called right hate crimes. Hopefully some good can be salvaged out of this tragedy.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

my position is that political debate has been fatally compromised by violent leftist rhetoric and divisiveness that had its origins in the Obama presidency.

Ok, thank you for putting a position. Could you give any example of violent leftist rhetoric from the Obama presidency?

I know you insist on people using their own words, but frankly, it’s too much work typing things out.
Not trying to be cute, but just google “Obama the most polarizing president in history” and you will find plenty of examples of h

Well ... would you be satisfied if I said, "Go and google 'trump rhetoric leads to political violence'?

No you wouldn't, and rightly so!

I'm left to assume you have this view yet you can't think of a single example to back up your view. So how did you form the view in the first place? Was it from hearing someone else's opinion that he was divisive? If so, do you really think that is a solid factual basis for your view?

Anyway I've little interest in defending Obama, but I do strongly disagree with blaming current political violence in the US on the "radical left".

Which is what Trump did yesterday in his comments on the assassination. Don't you think that kind of blaming is only likely to lead to more violence? I can't see how it lowers the temperature or tones down the rhetoric at all.