is all that not down to coaching and on field leadership ?
Post-Game Discussion Storm v Manly [Round 12, 2022]
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AAMI Park 26 May 2022 19:50 80th minute |
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Match Stats
Summed it up well, thought Keppie tried really hard and no errors I think.
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Having watched the last few games we get constantly hammered with penalties and six agains against us early in the matches and it happened again last night. We defended our line repeatedly early and by the end of the 1st half we end up with 40% possession then in the 2nd half get blown away because of the defensive effort. We get consolation 2nd half penalties to make it not a lop sided penalty count. We are gassed in the 2nd half. Now do we genuinely deserve to be penalised because we are serial offenders or are we ill-disciplined? I wonder if it might be easier to let in a try and get down the other end of the field.
We never win the 50-50 calls, they miss obstructions against us and opposition players playing the ball facing the sideline. Co-incidence?
We never win the 50-50 calls, they miss obstructions against us and opposition players playing the ball facing the sideline. Co-incidence?
Brookie Bob
"I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"
Last night was a real opportunity missed.
The Channel 9 commentators actually got it right for once. Even though both sides were injury-hit, Melbourne's 'class' got them through.
Manly used to be described as a team with 'class'.
What is 'class' - at least in a rugby league sense?
Performance under pressure, instinctive knowledge of what to do in a given circumstance, inventiveness, 'playing smart', accountability. Not just effort - I saw effort from Manly, but not the level of across the board enthusiasm and teamwork of Melbourne - very sad to say. Mostly it just boils down to being better in all aspects than your opposition, and looking composed and in control while you do it.
Last night's game disappointed me more than the two losses to the Eels and Bunnies before that. I can point to circumstances in those games that made it very hard for us to win.
Not last night. Last night we just weren't 'good enough'.
If you rated our players versus their Storm opposites, you would be hard pressed to say which of them outplayed their opposite number. People have been bagging DCE - and yes, Hughes was more influential for the Storm than DCE was for Manly - but Foran (who tried very hard) was also clearly outplayed by Munster.
I thought Garrick and Tuipulotu tried hard, and would have lost no fans. Croaker also get an 'A' for effort. I don't know why Davey came off when he did -perhaps Des thought our attack was ineffectual (which it was), and that Schuster would be an X factor.
Our 'go-forward' forwards (Sipley, Keppie, and to an extent Aloiai and Jake) didn't bend the Storm line. It's worth pointing out that Melbourne didn't really field any 'star-power' forwards - just blokes who do their job enthusiastically, efficiently and with a minimum of mistakes. Once we lost the arm-wrestle in the middle, our backs started to look (and play) disorganized. The Storm bench was almost a group of no-names - no matter, their 'system' wins again.
The Storm - the kings of the grind - ground us down again. And we knew what was coming, and couldn't / didn't stop it. Mass sackings is not the answer; individual talent / leadership / desire / fitness / injuries etc are almost side issues till we rediscover the winning Manly DNA again.
The bounce-back evident in the Parra game from Souths the week before was very good - where was that same bounce-back last night?
I don't think we're bottom 4; but until we can change some of our football fundamentals we will not be a top 4 team again.
The Channel 9 commentators actually got it right for once. Even though both sides were injury-hit, Melbourne's 'class' got them through.
Manly used to be described as a team with 'class'.
What is 'class' - at least in a rugby league sense?
Performance under pressure, instinctive knowledge of what to do in a given circumstance, inventiveness, 'playing smart', accountability. Not just effort - I saw effort from Manly, but not the level of across the board enthusiasm and teamwork of Melbourne - very sad to say. Mostly it just boils down to being better in all aspects than your opposition, and looking composed and in control while you do it.
Last night's game disappointed me more than the two losses to the Eels and Bunnies before that. I can point to circumstances in those games that made it very hard for us to win.
Not last night. Last night we just weren't 'good enough'.
If you rated our players versus their Storm opposites, you would be hard pressed to say which of them outplayed their opposite number. People have been bagging DCE - and yes, Hughes was more influential for the Storm than DCE was for Manly - but Foran (who tried very hard) was also clearly outplayed by Munster.
I thought Garrick and Tuipulotu tried hard, and would have lost no fans. Croaker also get an 'A' for effort. I don't know why Davey came off when he did -perhaps Des thought our attack was ineffectual (which it was), and that Schuster would be an X factor.
Our 'go-forward' forwards (Sipley, Keppie, and to an extent Aloiai and Jake) didn't bend the Storm line. It's worth pointing out that Melbourne didn't really field any 'star-power' forwards - just blokes who do their job enthusiastically, efficiently and with a minimum of mistakes. Once we lost the arm-wrestle in the middle, our backs started to look (and play) disorganized. The Storm bench was almost a group of no-names - no matter, their 'system' wins again.
The Storm - the kings of the grind - ground us down again. And we knew what was coming, and couldn't / didn't stop it. Mass sackings is not the answer; individual talent / leadership / desire / fitness / injuries etc are almost side issues till we rediscover the winning Manly DNA again.
The bounce-back evident in the Parra game from Souths the week before was very good - where was that same bounce-back last night?
I don't think we're bottom 4; but until we can change some of our football fundamentals we will not be a top 4 team again.
Not bottom 4 but no further than the next 4 above that !!
LOL, I was falling asleep when I compiled the list so I'm not surprised that there were errors.
HoldenV8
Journey Man
I will say this about last night.
On the face of it, yes it looked bad losing 28-8, but considering that two of their tries should never have been..... The one with the sideways play the ball where they scored under the posts, and the other with a pass Troy Aikman would have been proud of that they scored near the posts.
Take away those and its 16-8 and the loss isn't as bad.
On the face of it, yes it looked bad losing 28-8, but considering that two of their tries should never have been..... The one with the sideways play the ball where they scored under the posts, and the other with a pass Troy Aikman would have been proud of that they scored near the posts.
Take away those and its 16-8 and the loss isn't as bad.
All previous errors in my previous stats post (Post #60) have now been corrected in the following update:
First up,
My apologies to Josh Aloiai for previously incorrectly stating that he gave away a Set Restart at 62:33 when it should have read Toafofoa Sipley.
My apologies also to Christian Tuipulotu for previously incorrectly stating that he had Errors at 54:38 and 55:54 when it should have read Tolutau Koula (54:38) and Jorge Taufua (55:54).
Set Restarts x 3
17:53 - Set Restart - Storm - 17:51 - Ruck Infringement - Toafofoa Sipley - Sea Eagles
18:37 - Set Restart - Storm - 18:33 - Ruck Infringement - Lachlan Croker - Sea Eagles
62:33 - Set Restart - Storm - 62:30 - Inside 10 Metres - Toafofoa Sipley - Sea Eagles
Sipley: 2
Croker: 1
Penalties x 7
01:21 - Penalty - Offside Inside 10m - Lachlan Croker - Sea Eagles
03:49 - Penalty - Penalty - Obstruction - Toafofoa Sipley - Sea Eagles
16:34 - Penalty - Offside Inside 10m - Jake Trbojevic - Sea Eagles
22:23 - Penalty - Flop - Andrew Davey - Sea Eagles
58:15 - Penalty - Dangerous Tackle - Haumole Olakau'atu - Sea Eagles
61:12 - Penalty - Escorts - Josh Schuster - Sea Eagles
62:24 - Penalty - Other - Daly Cherry-Evans - Sea Eagles
Croker: 1
Sipley: 1
Jake: 1
Davey: 1
Olakau'atu: 1
Schuster: 1
DCE: 1
Errors x 10
05:15 - Error - Jorge Taufua - Sea Eagles
13:47 - Error - Haumole Olakau'atu - Sea Eagles
27:32 - Error - Kieran Foran - Sea Eagles
39:34 - Error - Josh Schuster - Sea Eagles
41:19 - Error - Dylan Walker - Sea Eagles
50:10 - Error - Morgan Harper - Sea Eagles
52:43 - Error - Christian Tuipulotu - Sea Eagles
54:38 - Error - Tolutau Koula - Sea Eagles
55:54 - Error - Jorge Taufua - Sea Eagles
80:00 - Error - Kieran Foran - Sea Eagles
Foz: 2
Jorge: 2
Harper: 1
Koula: 1
Olakau'atu: 1
Schuster: 1
Tuipulotu: 1
Walker: 1
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In conclusion,
Note to self, don't make posts when you are falling asleep especially when you are trying to compile a stats post because you are bound to eff it up.
Thanks for your great effort and contribution to our forum feathered friend .All previous errors in my previous stats post (Post #60) have now been corrected in the following update:
First up,
My apologies to Josh Aloiai for previously incorrectly stating that he gave away a Set Restart at 62:33 when it should have read Toafofoa Sipley.
My apologies also to Christian Tuipulotu for previously incorrectly stating that he had Errors at 54:38 and 55:54 when it should have read Tolutau Koula (54:38) and Jorge Taufua (55:54).
Set Restarts x 3
17:53 - Set Restart - Storm - 17:51 - Ruck Infringement - Toafofoa Sipley - Sea Eagles
18:37 - Set Restart - Storm - 18:33 - Ruck Infringement - Lachlan Croker - Sea Eagles
62:33 - Set Restart - Storm - 62:30 - Inside 10 Metres - Toafofoa Sipley - Sea Eagles
Sipley: 2
Croker: 1
Penalties x 7
01:21 - Penalty - Offside Inside 10m - Lachlan Croker - Sea Eagles
03:49 - Penalty - Penalty - Obstruction - Toafofoa Sipley - Sea Eagles
16:34 - Penalty - Offside Inside 10m - Jake Trbojevic - Sea Eagles
22:23 - Penalty - Flop - Andrew Davey - Sea Eagles
58:15 - Penalty - Dangerous Tackle - Haumole Olakau'atu - Sea Eagles
61:12 - Penalty - Escorts - Josh Schuster - Sea Eagles
62:24 - Penalty - Other - Daly Cherry-Evans - Sea Eagles
Croker: 1
Sipley: 1
Jake: 1
Davey: 1
Olakau'atu: 1
Schuster: 1
DCE: 1
Errors x 10
05:15 - Error - Jorge Taufua - Sea Eagles
13:47 - Error - Haumole Olakau'atu - Sea Eagles
27:32 - Error - Kieran Foran - Sea Eagles
39:34 - Error - Josh Schuster - Sea Eagles
41:19 - Error - Dylan Walker - Sea Eagles
50:10 - Error - Morgan Harper - Sea Eagles
52:43 - Error - Christian Tuipulotu - Sea Eagles
54:38 - Error - Tolutau Koula - Sea Eagles
55:54 - Error - Jorge Taufua - Sea Eagles
80:00 - Error - Kieran Foran - Sea Eagles
Foz: 2
Jorge: 2
Harper: 1
Koula: 1
Olakau'atu: 1
Schuster: 1
Tuipulotu: 1
Walker: 1
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In conclusion,
Note to self, don't make posts when you are falling asleep especially when you are trying to compile a stats post because you are bound to eff it up.
Nope, not a chance in hell that i would ever watch that game again but if anyone would like to, you can find it here:
Full Match Replay: Storm v Sea Eagles - Round 12, 2022
NRL Telstra Premiership 2022 Round 12 Storm v Sea Eagles Full Match Replay
www.nrl.com
| Team | P | W | L | PD | Pts |
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7 | 6 | 1 | 99 | 14 |
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7 | 6 | 1 | 54 | 14 |
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7 | 5 | 2 | 36 | 12 |
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8 | 5 | 2 | 39 | 11 |
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8 | 5 | 3 | 64 | 10 |
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7 | 4 | 3 | 49 | 10 |
|
8 | 4 | 4 | 73 | 8 |
|
7 | 3 | 4 | 17 | 8 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | -14 | 8 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | -16 | 8 |
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8 | 4 | 4 | -60 | 8 |
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8 | 3 | 4 | 17 | 7 |
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8 | 3 | 5 | -25 | 6 |
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7 | 2 | 5 | -55 | 6 |
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8 | 3 | 5 | -55 | 6 |
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7 | 1 | 6 | -87 | 4 |
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7 | 1 | 6 | -136 | 4 |
