The Daly Cherrygraph

[Mac Man]

I think the less written about DCE the better. I have been a huge supporter over the years but the bloke will soon be forgotten after "His" famous press conference - all he needed was to present himself in an Eels Jersey that would have topped it off and followed in the footsteps of a few other past players.

 

[manlyfan76]

There would be a lot of supporters in psych wards if DCE had spilled the beans on the reasons why he didn't want to be at the club, not just announced that he was leaving.

There was a massive falling out, if not the two sides would have negotiated either a deal or the exit. Not what we had.

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Mark my words the rorters don’t win a premiership with DCE at number 7.

 

[Jimmie]

‘I’ll always remember that shot’: The Sea Eagles giant Cherry-Evans will miss most

The departing Manly skipper has formed a close bond with Haumole Olakau’atu, mentoring the big Tongan to become one of the NRL’s elite forwards and a potential Sea Eagles captain.

www.theage.com.au

Hopefully ola will put the fear of god into cherry when they square up next year

 

[Budgie]

There would be a lot of supporters in psych wards if DCE had spilled the beans on the reasons why he didn't want to be at the club, not just announced that he was leaving.

There was a massive falling out, if not the two sides would have negotiated either a deal or the exit. Not what we had.

You seem to assume DCE was on the angel side of your "massive falling out".

He's not who you think he is

 

[manlyfan76]

You seem to assume DCE was on the angel side of your "massive falling out".

He's not who you think he is

I'm not saying who is right or wrong. Just analysis of what is going on.
Leaving personality out of it. There is clearly issues and DCE didn't dump dirt. Mestrov played dumb.
And the issues are never addressed.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

I'm not saying who is right or wrong. Just analysis of what is going on.
Leaving personality out of it. There is clearly issues and DCE didn't dump dirt. Mestrov played dumb.
And the issues are never addressed.

Well you can try to prompt another few 1000 posts if you think further speculation will help at this stage.
I think I'll just wait for the book (not buy it, but the media will summarise the juicy bits) 🙂

 

[AndWeDon'tCare]

There would be a lot of supporters in psych wards if DCE had spilled the beans on the reasons why he didn't want to be at the club, not just announced that he was leaving.

There was a massive falling out, if not the two sides would have negotiated either a deal or the exit. Not what we had.

As I've said before, PLEASE, PLEASE have him "spill the beans"... BOTH sides would be reaching for the Cold Power at the end of it.

But I'm waiting with baited breath for that day to come, I really am.

You can orchestrate or manoeuvre any narrative in any manner to suit your side of the story, either side of this "debate" can do that however, carrying-on as DCE is doing at the moment is a pure reflection on how he feels "aggrieved" at what has transpired the last 12 months.

Whether he has the right to feel "aggrieved" will only be known when he "spills the beans" but at the same time, I believe deep, deep, deep down, he and only he knows, IF he wants to go down that path, his overall management team may not have covered themselves in glory in how they conducted themselves and how DCE relied on representations made to him by said management team.

I'm NOT defending the Club here, what I'm saying is that the "rash of emails", "the smear campaign", the "spill the beans" mantra, perhaps they can't exactly do as they say because they'll lose the apparent support the DCE camp has in the media.

BOTH sides are at fault here but I'm getting agitated that he just can't move on, keep his mouth shut and play football.

On the Monday after the GF, if Manly hasn't won't it, go for it DCE, unleash.

Until then, you're a 36 year old athlete who is being paid to do a job, the captain of a club I love and the main man who us supporters want to support.

 

[manlyfan76]

BOTH sides are at fault here but I'm getting agitated that he just can't move on, keep his mouth shut and play football.

What has he said since the announcement? I have missed it.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

As I've said before, PLEASE, PLEASE have him "spill the beans"... BOTH sides would be reaching for the Cold Power at the end of it.

But I'm waiting with baited breath for that day to come, I really am.

You can orchestrate or manoeuvre any narrative in any manner to suit your side of the story, either side of this "debate" can do that however, carrying-on as DCE is doing at the moment is a pure reflection on how he feels "aggrieved" at what has transpired the last 12 months.

Whether he has the right to feel "aggrieved" will only be known when he "spills the beans" but at the same time, I believe deep, deep, deep down, he and only he knows, IF he wants to go down that path, his overall management team may not have covered themselves in glory in how they conducted themselves and how DCE relied on representations made to him by said management team.

I'm NOT defending the Club here, what I'm saying is that the "rash of emails", "the smear campaign", the "spill the beans" mantra, perhaps they can't exactly do as they say because they'll lose the apparent support the DCE camp has in the media.

BOTH sides are at fault here but I'm getting agitated that he just can't move on, keep his mouth shut and play football.

On the Monday after the GF, if Manly hasn't won't it, go for it DCE, unleash.

Until then, you're a 36 year old athlete who is being paid to do a job, the captain of a club I love and the main man who us supporters want to support.

Would be good but I doubt anyone will ever know as it really won’t fit the narrative that’s been built.

 

[nightster]

Hopefully ola will put the fear of god into cherry when they square up next year

and hopefully he won't get tricked into joining the rorters

 

[47MVEagle]

I'm not saying who is right or wrong. Just analysis of what is going on.
Leaving personality out of it. There is clearly issues and DCE didn't dump dirt. Mestrov played dumb.
And the issues are never addressed.

Fair enough, there are always 2 sides to every story, but the telling thing for me was his appearance on channel 9 wearing no club gear.

If he wants everyone to believe he’s a total professional then he shouldn’t have done that, it just looked bitchy & most certainly doesn’t look like he’s taken the moral high ground.

 

[Bearfax]

No and I’m not attacking you either , we just have different views on the matter and that’s fine.

The Manly club , and fans , have been very good to him for 15 years.

Zero issues with him leaving for the golden handshake , if he can stitch up a 10 million dollar deal he’s mad not to take it.

But as captain , go out in style , go out with credibility , go with good graces.

That hasn’t happened , full stop.

Sure Mark. I get your point. But is it such a major issue? He was going to leave anyway and from my perspective that's a much greater issue than what he may say.

Does it really matter if he didn't say what you felt he should have. We do that all the time on this site. Actions are what is important, not words. Someone tells me something and I just store it as a bit of information. Its the action I take notice of.

These guys are just ordinary people with a special skill. But they are still just like you and me, as you well know. And we don't know what's going on in their head and what may have caused them to say what they say, just as I cant read what is happening in your head and leads you to react the way you are doing here. Things said are rarely in isolation.

I suspect there were behind the scenes issues that got to DCE. He was sensible enough not to talk about them but we all get affected emotionally. As with you and me, we see things differently. How he sees things is his very human response to something we probably know little about. Wait until years end. He may well come out and say the things you expect of him. But then again he may not. That's human.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Sure Mark. I get your point. But is it such a major issue? He was going to leave anyway and from my perspective that's a much greater issue than what he may say.

Does it really matter if he didn't say what you felt he should have. We do that all the time on this site. Actions are what is important, not words. Someone tells me something and I just store it as a bit of information. Its the action I take notice of.

These guys are just ordinary people with a special skill. But they are still just like you and me, as you well know. And we don't know what's going on in their head and what may have caused them to say what they say, just as I cant read what is happening in your head and leads you to react the way you are doing here. Things said are rarely in isolation.

I suspect there were behind the scenes issues that got to DCE. He was sensible enough not to talk about them but we all get affected emotionally. As with you and me, we see things differently. How he sees things is his very human response to something we probably know little about. Wait until years end. He may well come out and say the things you expect of him. But then again he may not. That's human.

I’m sure he’ll get a fair send off ( farewell ) at the last game , remember he was cheered the first game after the announcement.

I really hope that’ll be the end of it , I don’t see a winner in him ( or the club ) dishing the dirt to gain points after he’s gone.

As we both know , if that happens it’ll be “ he said “ , “ they said “, he didn’t do “ , he did do “ , “ they didn’t do “ and no one will be any more knowledgeable than they are right now.

As to “ it being a major issue “, I think it is , you don’t think it is , different strokes for different folks.

 

[manly al]

Don 't think that it really matters what speculation or public perceptions have been attached to this whole matter .
Seems quite clear the main issue again is that the club made a considered call probably at the start of last season or during it, that for future planning , D C E would only be retained on about that 750 K range for 2026 and maybe for one season additional with a club option season for 27.
D C E or his management still rated him or himself as still possibly a one mil range player and then when it must have seemed apparent the club was not going to change their position , the hardly ideal move by D C E to create the subsequent narrative or media spin more favorable to him for an exit after this season
Really does not seem that much attention by the general media to give the matter that much more attention in recent weeks , probably because that there is really not that much more to elaborate on or try to blow out of proportion .
Will still be regarding his input and role requirement for today as pretty much just another important club game where he would be expected to play and contribute to his best ability for all things Manly

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Don 't think that it really matters what speculation or public perceptions have been attached to this whole matter .
Seems quite clear the main issue again is that the club made a considered call probably at the start of last season or during it, that for future planning , D C E would only be retained on about that 750 K range for 2026 and maybe for one season additional with a club option season for 27.
D C E or his management still rated him or himself as still possibly a one mil range player and then when it must have seemed apparent the club was not going to change their position , the hardly ideal move by D C E to create the subsequent narrative or media spin more favorable to him for an exit after this season
Really does not seem that much attention by the general media to give the matter that much more attention in recent weeks , probably because that there is really not that much more to elaborate on or try to blow out of proportion .
Will still be regarding his input and role requirement for today as pretty much just another important club game where he would be expected to play and contribute to his best ability for all things Manly

Ultimately it will have been about money , perceived worth , and value with side feeling undervalued, and the other undervalued for their contribution over a very long time.

I have no issues with him going to the highest bidder , you are in the game for a short time so make the most of it.

As I’ve continued to say , it’s more about the way it was all handled, and that’s what I don’t like.

But of course , as is always the case , others have different opinions ( which is perfectly fine ).

 

[DUFFMAN]

I really hope that’ll be the end of it , I don’t see a winner in him ( or the club ) dishing the dirt to gain points after he’s gone.

As we both know , if that happens it’ll be “ he said “ , “ they said “, he didn’t do “ , he did do “ , “ they didn’t do “ and no one will be any more knowledgeable than they are right now.

I'm glad Peter Peters isn't involved in the club these days.
There would be so much dirt coming out if he was and it would make both parties look worse.

I also hope DCE doesn't convince other Manly players life is better in Bondi, its the sort of thing Easts would do to attract players.

DCE is one of my favourite players to play for Manly and I have no issue with him leaving, just the way it has gone down and in public.
Had he said I'm testing the market with a I've got a good offer from Manly but Easts have made an offer I can't refuse which looks after me once I hang up the boots a lot of us would have still been upset but being more accepting.

The only way upset fans will forgive him is us winning a premiership this season but we aren't doing that being a few steps below the top few teams.

 

[Budgie]

Actions are what is important, not words. Someone tells me something and I just store it as a bit of information. Its the action I take notice of.

I think you're not getting the actions that so many of us are not thrilled about.

There have been many, a continuing media campaign you may call it. In just the last two days we've had the announcement that he is not going to the Dolphins and the puff piece on those he loves at Manly.

There is no need for him to constantly be the subject of media attention. This is all orchestrated by his camp and only serves to distract from what should be a steady campaign of the club trying to quietly go about winning games toward a premiership.

These are the continuing actions that are the problem.

Passive destabilisation if you want a term for it.

 

[manly al]

Ultimately it will have been about money , perceived worth , and value with side feeling undervalued, and the other undervalued for their contribution over a very long time.

I have no issues with him going to the highest bidder , you are in the game for a short time so make the most of it.

As I’ve continued to say , it’s more about the way it was all handled, and that’s what I don’t like.

But of course , as is always the case , others have different opinions ( which is perfectly fine ).

All fair points , maybe also and fair enough also for some to at least partly expect a long term player like D C E to have the same mindset and club commitment previously as club stalwarts like Beaver and Tooves
Who stayed as one club players when the circumstances and opportunity would or could have allowed them to get more money elsewhere .
Of course could also throw in that successful era grouping of Choc , Matai and others .
Still maintain that additional 250 K or so, even for an additional season which would be reduced not inconsiderably with tax and management outputs , really should make not that much difference if the opportunity is there to finish as a one club player .
And then million plus or one mil contracts for the best part of 10 years
D C E "s final call and that is all she wrote so to speak

 

[Phobia]

What has he said since the announcement? I have missed it.

Fairly sure that @AndWeDon'tCare has some insider knowledge on how these events transpired from within the club. I believe he inferred that when the news first broke, and said he understood the reasons for DCE leaving, at least until he went on 100% Footy. If there was any disrespect from inside the club, DCE certainly matched it when he went on that show.

I think (?) both DCE and Mestrov have said they would be willing to have him back in a coaching role post-retirement, so I don't imagine it's anything significant, where relationships are untenable with management, like Des. Could even be a matter on the level of Molo at the Dragons, where someone said he's done nothing since 2011, and he took offence, or something.